22-02-2012, 12:11
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Re: Food handouts
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Thanks for proving my point.
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I didn't. 
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Of course we have poverty in this country.
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I disagree, only relative poverty, we don't have REAL poverty: No shoes, only rags to wear, no home, no food and absolutely no money!
Of course if you can show me a queue of cases as described above....
One needs to look into these things a little closer than the tabloid headlines or rabid accusations of left wing politicians. 
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22-02-2012, 13:44
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Re: Food handouts
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I didn't.
I disagree, only relative poverty, we don't have REAL poverty: No shoes, only rags to wear, no home, no food and absolutely no money!
Of course if you can show me a queue of cases as described above....
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And this makes a difference?We shouldn't help anyone because they are not as poor as you would like them to be? 
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22-02-2012, 13:49
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Re: Food handouts
I think there is real poverty in this country but it's not as obvious as it is in some other places. There are people with no home, no food, no money. They may have some clothing.
There is also the problem that some people don't want food handouts, they want the money. How can they play bingo with a can of beans? It's demeaning to give food/vouchers. It denies choice.
And people do need to know or be taught how to make filling meals with cheaper ingredients. Cans of beans (dried beans are even cheaper) can bulk out or substitute meat in meals. Rice is fairly cheap and much of the world lives of it.
There is the problem of celebrity cook inflation that doesn't help. This is where said cook highlights a cheap(er) ingredient which leads to demand and the price goes up. Pork belly is one case in point. Used to be very cheap, now in some places costs more than shoulder. Lamb shanks is another.
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22-02-2012, 14:13
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Re: Food handouts
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And this makes a difference?We shouldn't help anyone because they are not as poor as you would like them to be? |
That's rather unfair. The point I'm trying to make is that with the huge, and it is massive, amount of state expendature that goes on welfare there really is no excuse for people needing to go to food handouts except in really exceptional cases, not where they've blown the food budget on mobile calls, fags, booze or bingo.
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I think there is real poverty in this country but it's not as obvious as it is in some other places. There are people with no home, no food, no money. They may have some clothing.
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Indeed there are but no as many as some would like you to believe for political reasons of trying to bash the "Nasty government"
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There is also the problem that some people don't want food handouts, they want the money. How can they play bingo with a can of beans? It's demeaning to give food/vouchers. It denies choice.
And people do need to know or be taught how to make filling meals with cheaper ingredients. Cans of beans (dried beans are even cheaper) can bulk out or substitute meat in meals. Rice is fairly cheap and much of the world lives of it.
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People need to re-learn the art of cooking and food preparation: Supermarkets have very inexpensive ranges that can be used to provide nutritional and tasty meals at very low cost.
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There is the problem of celebrity cook inflation that doesn't help. This is where said cook highlights a cheap(er) ingredient which leads to demand and the price goes up. Pork belly is one case in point. Used to be very cheap, now in some places costs more than shoulder. Lamb shanks is another.
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Good point. 
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22-02-2012, 19:19
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Re: Food handouts
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I didn't.
I disagree, only relative poverty, we don't have REAL poverty: No shoes, only rags to wear, no home, no food and absolutely no money!
Of course if you can show me a queue of cases as described above....
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You talking of very extreme poverty.
Poverty to me is when someone cannot afford all basic living requirements.
Even so what you described people do exist in this country with what you described. Yes no income or money whatsoever. This is set to increase given the changes on welfare that are happening.
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That's rather unfair. The point I'm trying to make is that with the huge, and it is massive, amount of state expendature that goes on welfare there really is no excuse for people needing to go to food handouts except in really exceptional cases, not where they've blown the food budget on mobile calls, fags, booze or bingo.
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that welfare expenditure is mainly targeted at certian groups of people. such as eradicating child poverty and at pensioners.
I think you looking at a nice fat welfare budget number and assuming its plenty to go round.
also your comment about bingo I think would offend some people, it certianly wasnt bingo money for me when I was last on welfare.
In regards to food handouts, if I needed the help I wouldnt object to it, but obviously if the country has to resort to that type of help then it shows there is a problem somewhere in the welfare system.
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22-02-2012, 19:27
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Re: Food handouts
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also your comment about bingo I think would offend some people, it certianly wasnt bingo money for me when I was last on welfare.
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It may well offend some people ,doesn't make it any less true though
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In regards to food handouts, if I needed the help I wouldnt object to it, but obviously if the country has to resort to that type of help then it shows there is a problem somewhere in the welfare system.
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yes it's because the big fat welfare budget isn't enough to go around and never will be
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22-02-2012, 19:29
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Re: Food handouts
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This scheme is doing it professionally and therefore should be praised as much of the food provided would have been sent to waste if not for these schemes.
They should be praised for doing it and not used as a political plaything as above.
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Well, that's The Mirror for you. One of the most politically biased papers around...
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22-02-2012, 19:32
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Re: Food handouts
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Well, that's The Mirror for you. One of the most politically biased papers around...
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Just like all the other newspapers then.
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22-02-2012, 19:42
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Re: Food handouts
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Just like all the other newspapers then. |
I find The Independent to be reasonably so...
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23-02-2012, 07:10
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Re: Food handouts
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It may well offend some people ,doesn't make it any less true though
yes it's because the big fat welfare budget isn't enough to go around and never will be
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It offends some people due to the fact it isnt true.
Again I ask, what is your experience of welfare and all these subjects you have a big opinion on.
I suspect its based on propoganda and "things you have seen".
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