Disabled people face unlimited unpaid work or cuts in benefit

[heero_yuy]

Originally Posted by Chrysalis

Have you sat there watching disabled car parking or something? I am genuinly interested how you have seen tons of people in disabled car parks just when they happen to be getting in and out of their vehicles as well as able to diagnose them froma remote distance. Of course its also possible the person using the vehicle isnt the actual badge owner.

I can only comment on the times that I've been in a position to see those parking positions, probably amounts to several hours a year so as a sample is probably representative and a majority do not, to my eyes, look as if they should be using those spaces.

As you say it could be those abusing the badge, in which case they should be named and shamed.

But it really comes back to this:

There are approximately 10 million disabled people in Great Britain covered by the Equality Act, which represents around 18 percent of the population.

Are we really that sick as a nation?

Source

[Chrysalis]

How does the equality act determine if someone is disabled?

All I will say on the parking is it could be a variety of things.

1 - no badge at all someone just parking there ou of lazyness.
2 - not badge holder.
3 - disabled person on a good day.
4 - disabled person who qualified for a badge but there problem doesnt affect them in a way that would stop them walking out of a car (possible with how DLA gets rewarded).
5 - someone who has conned the system.

The badges can be claimed for independent of any benefits as well.

The 10 million does seem high, although its 6.7million of working age. However its not totally unbelievable as given how poor the nhs is and the poor standard of living in this country.

[Hugh]

how poor the nhs is and the poor standard of living in this country

Out of a total Government spend of £711 billion, £106 billion was spent on the NHS in 2011/12 - that's 15% of the total expenditure.
NHS

The NHS employs more than 1.7m people. Of those, just under half are clinically qualified, including, 39,409 general practitioners (GPs), 410,615 nurses, 18,450 ambulance staff and 103,912 hospital and community health service (HCHS) medical and dental staff.

Only the Chinese People’s Liberation Army, the Wal-Mart supermarket chain and the Indian Railways directly employ more people.

The NHS in England is the biggest part of the system by far, catering to a population of 52m and employing more than 1.4m people. The NHS in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland employ 155,312; 85,252 and 65,016 people respectively.
Around 3 million people are treated in the NHS in England every week.

"Poor"???

[Chrysalis]

I dont judge the quality of the NHS by its budget, thats a weird way of judging it.

incidently 15% is low.

some comparisons.

17.9% canada
norway
germany
17% australia
16.7% france

yes the NHS in my view is poor.

I have family members who are getting no real treatment for long term conditions, I have had very poor treatment myself by NHS gp's and hospital staff. I see people every month who have long term health problems who also give feedback of NHS services.

Our hospitals also arent clean and are a source of viruses, infections.

With that said its worth pointing out my sister seems to have had reasonable treatment from the nhs (not great tho), and I think the nhs highly varies from area to area in quality, somewhat of a postcode lottery.

[Alan Fry]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Out of a total Government spend of £711 billion, £106 billion was spent on the NHS in 2011/12 - that's 15% of the total expenditure.
NHS"Poor"???

The NHS needs fare more money than it currently spends!

[Chrysalis]

Tesco ignored my email so I rang them.

Call logged and thats that, although what I will say is the call centre rep had a prepared answer so its my guess there has been a decent call volume of complaints on this.

I see in the news now tesco are 50/50 on pulling out and have told the DWP to remove sanctions for people pulling out of the work placements.

[Alan Fry]

Originally Posted by Chrysalis

Tesco ignored my email so I rang them.

Call logged and thats that, although what I will say is the call centre rep had a prepared answer so its my guess there has been a decent call volume of complaints on this.

I see in the news now tesco are 50/50 on pulling out and have told the DWP to remove sanctions for people pulling out of the work placements.

If they get out, then the governments plans will be in ruins!

[Chrysalis]

http://www.thisisleicestershire.co.u...ail/story.html

[Alan Fry]

Originally Posted by Chrysalis

http://www.thisisleicestershire.co.u...ail/story.html

A very sad story!

Shows how low the UK has become, so much for "free at the point of need"

[Taf]

Originally Posted by Alan Fry

A very sad story!

Shows how low the UK has become, so much for "free at the point of need"

They need to free up beds for the 49% of private patients they'll be getting soon!

[Alan Fry]

Originally Posted by Taf

They need to free up beds for the 49% of private patients they'll be getting soon!

Fancy any shares in NHS plc?

[Gary L]

Found this site. sad but interesting.

http://calumslist.org/

[Maggy J]

For once Gary we are in agreement.That does make for depressing reading.

[mertle]

Originally Posted by Gary L

Found this site. sad but interesting.

http://calumslist.org/

so disgusting I cried reading every story. It makes me so angry why this happening. Are we really in 2012 or have I woken up in Germany 1930's

Poigent comment in reply in one those stories you would be hard pressed to not see some of this has parallels to the new system of our welfare.

“Nazi Germany had a Program-named T4 for the Chancellery offices that directed it from the Berlin address Tiergartenstrasse 4-involved headed by physicians, it was established with a mandate to kill anyone deemed to have a "life unworthy of living." Some physicians active in the study of eugenics, who saw Nazism as "applied biology," enthusiastically endorsed this program.

An important criterion was economic. Nazi officials assigned people to this program largely based on their economic productivity. The Nazis referred to the victims as "burdensome lives" and "useless eaters."

The program's directors ordered a survey of all psychiatric institutions, hospitals, and homes for chronically ill patients. At T4, medical experts reviewed forms sent by institutions throughout Germany but did not examine patients or read their medical records. Nevertheless, they had the power to decide life or death. How does that compare with this government's welfare reforms and the attitude of Atos Origin Healthcare assessors?�

[Chrysalis]

I found out this week that the royal mail sorting office now been used to process all incoming mail for DLA/ESA stops claimants able to get proof of delivery as no mail gets signed for in that process. So aside from the legality issues of the data protection act been breached it adds a barrier for claimants appealing bad decisions when trying to provide they have sent documentation. Also the sorting centre adds a 5 day delay as well.