Disabled people face unlimited unpaid work or cuts in benefit

[Sirius]

Step to far to say the least. Will it stop here or will we see something even worse than this shortly

[Chrysalis]

Originally Posted by mertle

Nice one just done the same your quote of companies I am sure gardian missed poundland on there.

I think with research we could keep a blacklist companies but we need to split those who JSA those more scummy recruiting the forcing Disabled for benefits.

Despite governments plans I dear say Disabled idea might be one too far for companies to employ. Disabled slavery might be step too far as its repulsive.

My thoughts is why is europe not intervining banning it under human rights.

Maybe they should be contacted.

I plan to start a campaign to the european human rights court and probably will put in a 4 figure sum to the funding pot and ask for donations, but first I will check to see if anyone else has started one. I also plan to get legal representation arranged.

[mertle]

Originally Posted by Chrysalis

I plan to start a campaign to the european human rights court and probably will put in a 4 figure sum to the funding pot and ask for donations, but first I will check to see if anyone else has started one. I also plan to get legal representation arranged.

thanks would put some money in but dont have paypal did org but had bad dealings with them on security. Only have card but will send you cheque once you set it up.

Fight back on

I know now why cameron destroyed legal aid he knew his disdastly plans with mutley( I mean cleg).

[Maggy J]

I think some of the people in this government are turning out to be pond life..

I don't think that arch nemesis Mrs T ever suggested anything like this.

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Originally Posted by Chrysalis

I plan to start a campaign to the european human rights court and probably will put in a 4 figure sum to the funding pot and ask for donations, but first I will check to see if anyone else has started one. I also plan to get legal representation arranged.

Maybe you could ask Avaaz.org for help.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avaaz.org

or 38 Degrees http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/38_Degrees

[mertle]

Originally Posted by Maggy J

I think some of the people in this government are turning out to be pond life..

I don't think that arch nemesis Mrs T ever suggested anything like this.

indeed she was hard but she was not stupid.

Chrysalis done some digging found this although mainly against general workfare it needs to now include disabled.

Whether they plans to goto the human rights cant say big national boycott coming up in march 3rd

http://www.boycottworkfare.org/

I read story there of JSA forced to do 7 night shifts on the trot stacking for tesco's. Surely thats against employment law. does this not count as they not employed workers. I am shocked unions aint put in motion for national strikes on workfare.

Disgraceful.

[Horace]

In what way will working help those with severe mental problems? Surely for most working in a stressful environment such as a shop would only serve to increase those problems. Also, arn't many of the people on disability benefit for mental issues those people who were previously moved from state run psychiatric hospitals into 'care in the community' - how soon we forget : http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/230179.stm

[heero_yuy]

Whilst I'm all in favour of making benefit recipients give something back in return for the state's largesse and a route back into the culture of work. This strikes me as a sop to big business to give them a source of cheap labour rather than creating real jobs.

Glad to hear that Sainsbury's recognised this as a bad move and have withdrawn from the scheme.

[AdamD]

I personally have no problem working for the benefits I'm receiving, if there was a job I could do at home, with no one else around

It's a little difficult to get any form of job, when you are essentially housebound, due to severe anxiety of being around other people.

I wonder if the average suicide rate would increase or not, if such measures were put in place?

It would probably only take one person to record a video saying they've killed themselves because of being forced into work, for serious questions to be asked and perhaps even mass demonstrations.

The problem isn't the people, as such, it's the system which doesn't do ANYTHING to proactively help those in need.

The government is more than happy to stress people out with pointless medical exams/tests, but not to actually work with people, like myself, in finding a solution, or at least something to help deal with the condition(s)

In my case, I've had TWO medical exams in three years, both concluded I was too unwell to work, both in my case were very stressful, but in those three years, has the government, or local health authority offered any form of help? Nope.

[martyh]

It think there's been a bit of an overreaction to the headline in this thread .Until the plans are finalised and actually put into practice nobody will know how it will work .There are ,for example people with cancer ,who do continue to work ,there is a young lady doing so at my wife's place of work ,there are plenty of disabled people working so to suggest that disabled people should not work is totally out of order .

Having said that there must be a large training program for DWP managers so they can correctly assess those who may struggle with the work placement ,which the DWP acknowledge will happen .Although there will be mandatory work placements the DWP manager will have discretion about which type of work will go to what type of disability and the practicalities of such placements for the people concerned .

For me the biggest issue is the morality of the companies taking part in the programs .At the moment there are safeguards in place to limit the number of placements for companies dependant on size,also companies/branches cannot take part in such schemes if they have made redundancies within 6 months but i fear that if the schemes are not managed correctly by the DWP they could be abused .Even the charity MIND say that such placements are a good idea for helping disabled people back into the workplace as long as it is done with compassion and common sense .

It also has to be said that these type of schemes could help some companies get over their predjudicies about hiring disabled people

[mertle]

know what the biggest worry/disgrace about this is selective media reporting its seems BEEB been part of large media blackout.

Infact there is alarmingly very few news which worryingly in pro-supoortive government measure it seems by media.

Worry is why the BEEB are not reporting it this is bestalion surely it should not be used as a propaganda tool. Are we not in land free or pre-war germany albert speil wanerbee running the show. When did government enforce selective reporting.

Even Daily fail had air of humble pie said its wrong report the news. however they forget the lies they produced which caused histeria in the first place. Likened it to 1930-40's Germany.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/ar...y-stopped.html

Its disgraceful to think how newscorp and media in general acting if it was not for the two papers this would slipped by publics knowledge radar. With looking at comments in guardian this causing massive stink rightly so.

Come on beeb get this national news nope more interested in murdock new sunday paper.

[heero_yuy]

Originally Posted by mertle

know what the biggest worry/disgrace about this is selective media reporting its seems BEEB been part of large media blackout.

Infact there is alarmingly very few news which worryingly in pro-supoortive government measure it seems by media.

Worry is why the BEEB are not reporting it this is bestalion surely it should not be used as a propaganda tool. Are we not in land free or pre-war germany albert speil wanerbee running the show. When did government enforce selective reporting.

Even Daily fail had air of humble pie said its wrong report the news. however they forget the lies they produced which caused histeria in the first place. Likened it to 1930-40's Germany.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/ar...y-stopped.html

Its disgraceful to think how newscorp and media in general acting if it was not for the two papers this would slipped by publics knowledge radar. With looking at comments in guardian this causing massive stink rightly so.

Come on beeb get this national news nope more interested in murdock new sunday paper.

Translation please?

[martyh]

Originally Posted by mertle

know what the biggest worry/disgrace about this is selective media reporting its seems BEEB been part of large media blackout.

Infact there is alarmingly very few news which worryingly in pro-supoortive government measure it seems by media.

Worry is why the BEEB are not reporting it this is bestalion surely it should not be used as a propaganda tool. Are we not in land free or pre-war germany albert speil wanerbee running the show. When did government enforce selective reporting.

Even Daily fail had air of humble pie said its wrong report the news. however they forget the lies they produced which caused histeria in the first place. Likened it to 1930-40's Germany.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/ar...y-stopped.html

Its disgraceful to think how newscorp and media in general acting if it was not for the two papers this would slipped by publics knowledge radar. With looking at comments in guardian this causing massive stink rightly so.

Come on beeb get this national news nope more interested in murdock new sunday paper.

maybe the other major media outlets aren't reporting on this yet because there are no final plans and it is mostly speculation at the moment as the entire plan is still a work in progress

[Gary L]

Sonia says cultural observers could not fail to notice similarities between what is taking place here and what occurred in Hitler's Germany

I expect a few thousand more are thinking the same of our Dave.

I personally think that Dave has to go. I guess he will be seen as that much of an enemy to society, that he will go one way or another.



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Originally Posted by martyh

maybe the other major media outlets aren't reporting on this yet because there are no final plans and it is mostly speculation at the moment as the entire plan is still a work in progress

Oh come on Marty.

[Zee]

The Wrag group includes those who have been diagnosed with terminal cancer

That makes me sick...

[RizzyKing]

Not surprised anymore really not and until such time as the public bother to find out exactly what is going on and start to say enough is enough i doubt this will be the worst measure that will be proposed. Marty be totally honest you really think this will not end up with disabled people being threatened and therefore getting exploited en masse soory but i have no faith left in politicians anymore or to just how low a depth they will plumb.