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Old 18-03-2012, 22:38   #226
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Re: Benefit cuts are fuelling abuse of disabled people, say charities

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and dont say,if they got rid of benefits,alot more people will be stealing!!
makes no differnce!! they still stealing!!
If someone lost their benefit they would turn to crime. (such as stealing)
so a lot more people will be stealing.
the ones who are already stealing will be stealing more.
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Old 18-03-2012, 22:43   #227
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Re: Benefit cuts are fuelling abuse of disabled people, say charities

I think you mis-judge people, Gary.

Not everyone has base instincts.
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Old 18-03-2012, 22:53   #228
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I think you mis-judge people, Gary.

Not everyone has base instincts.
I didn't mean everyone.
just a lot of people.
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Re: Benefit cuts are fuelling abuse of disabled people, say charities

Sorry.

I don't think a lot of people have base instincts, and turn to crime when they have less than before.
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Old 18-03-2012, 23:01   #230
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Re: Benefit cuts are fuelling abuse of disabled people, say charities

I think a lot of people who have nothing will. and a few who have less than before will too.

you have to look at it as they have nothing to lose, and all to gain.
benefit money was their sole means of survival.
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I think a lot of people who have nothing will. and a few who have less than before will too.

you have to look at it as they have nothing to lose, and all to gain.
benefit money was their sole means of survival.

I don't see that at all, those people of the correct disposition to commit crimes wouldn't be satisfied with only getting welfare money so will and do commit crimes already
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Old 18-03-2012, 23:13   #232
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I don't see that at all, those people of the correct disposition to commit crimes wouldn't be satisfied with only getting welfare money so will and do commit crimes already
Yes, I haven't seen anybody say otherwise.

what I was saying was a few of those with that disposition will increase their own crime rate figures to make up the shortfall.

and those who never had the disposition, some will now have the disposition and start stealing.
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Sorry.

I don't think a lot of people have base instincts, and turn to crime when they have less than before.
In normal circumstances agreed but you would'nt believe what people capable off until they pushed into very small corner.

There stats show the country in great depression it increases crimerates.

anyway this hugely off topic

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Re: Benefit cuts are fuelling abuse of disabled people, say charities

Dont like bring old topics back but new developments on Remploy. Express will back the campaign after it emerged government will support prisoners £20 a week in new project. Now great for prisoners but did the government say they could not support losses remploy at £16 per head.

If remploy not financially viable how is prison workfare system subsidies viable.

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/...t-the-disabled

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Re: Benefit cuts are fuelling abuse of disabled people, say charities

If ATOS abuse continues, perhaps we shall see many disdabled people commiting crimes so that they can get involved in the prisons' project ?
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Re: Benefit cuts are fuelling abuse of disabled people, say charities

I think that they are far more likely to become homeless and/or commit suicide.
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I think that they are far more likely to become homeless and/or commit suicide.
sadly thats already happen the part suicides

Just showed the double standards

Hope the charity who got hoodwinked makes public apology to those disabled at remploy helps fight those closures.

I am even not shocked remploy make small losses under circumstances its sole disabled employer.

As long it does good job helping disabled it should never been decided not to be supported. The fact its helped many into mainstream employment it does not just provide its onw factories.

They are looking ways to see if its viable remodeling themselves apparantly. Sadly though not in time to save 208 staff and 1,752 jobs. Thats not forgetting the knock on to companies who supported them or had contracts.

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Wonder where government going for some stuff they provide
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Dont like bring old topics back but new developments on Remploy. Express will back the campaign after it emerged government will support prisoners £20 a week in new project. Now great for prisoners but did the government say they could not support losses remploy at £16 per head.

If remploy not financially viable how is prison workfare system subsidies viable.

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/...t-the-disabled
Remploy is a company ,prisons are not .Remploy is there to make money ,prisons are not .
The subsidies given to Remploy to keep unproductive factories open will go a lot further if re directed to other areas of the disability budget ,even the charities accept that .
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Old 02-04-2012, 18:19   #239
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Remploy is a company ,prisons are not .Remploy is there to make money ,prisons are not .
The subsidies given to Remploy to keep unproductive factories open will go a lot further if re directed to other areas of the disability budget ,even the charities accept that .
on profits this needs very much investigating.

http://righttowork.org.uk/2012/03/re...the-scrapheap/

I would not believe everything your told there hell alot disabled got miss trust at RADAR report. Liz Sayce organisation one of many not all disabled organisation believe she was right. There even growing concern ordinary disabled getting shafted by thes big charities who starting to lose sight to who they supposed to be supporting.

http://www.dpac.uk.net/2012/

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You say it factory it more than that check tthe link remploy does alot thinks to help disabled not just in own factories. I would suspect remploy been used as they make alot goods for government. Which likely hit there impact to make those profits.

Prisons will still be form factories as businesses are involved. They being subsided those subsidies you could argue are remploy's saving. I will say this doubt penny will go into getting disablded work.

Those workers would have found employment in mainstream they have not reasons simple they are not getting help in work.

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on profits this needs very much investigating.
Remploy is a not for profit organisation
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