Falkland Islands: Tensions Rising

[STONEISLAND]

Originally Posted by martyh

I think it has now .Interesting article here about the oil around the Falklands .Potentially there is more oil than in the entire North sea fields

Thats what I thought $$$$

[Hom3r]

Originally Posted by gba93

Don't forget Vulcan XH558 (see left) is still in airworthy condition ... just as well we might need it some day (soon)

One Vulcan bomber is nowhere near enough, several where flow which the sole purpose was fuel carrying, it would fly so far in-flight refuel others, leaving enough for them to get back to the Acension islands, leaving the others to carry on.

Victor tanker also helped.

The RAF was ask to draw up a plane to do a bombing run so they wouldn't be left out.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Black_Buck

[Mr Angry]

Originally Posted by Pog66

Just like in '82 then - the US twiddled their thumbs whilst the French had suppied Exocet missiles to teh Argentinians

Let's not forget who was arming the Argentinians right up until the Falklands conflict. Pick yourself up a book called "The politics of British arms sales since 1964" for some real enlightenment.

[Alan Fry]

British diplomats accuse Argentina of attempting to isolate Falklands Islands by pressuring Chile to end Port Stanley flights

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/fe...?newsfeed=true

[Chris]

Some more interesting analysis:

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/je...sh-since-1833/

In short, Mrs Kirchner might be advised gently to desist from the sabre-rattling, and return her attentions to the Argentine economy. If the sabre-rattling comes to nothing, it will eventually make her look impotent. If it comes to something, it will be disastrous.

[Alan Fry]

The claim by Argentina overFalkland Islands (Along with the South Georgia and South Sandwich Islands) is backed by Peru, Mexico, Brazil, Chile, Spain China and the rest of Latin America, along with the CIS

On the other hand the British claim is backed by the EU, France, Turkey and the members of the Commonwealth on Nations!

[Chris]

More importantly, the British claim is backed by the Falkland Islanders themselves, who have a right to self-determination enshrined in UN charter. And the Falkland Islanders overwhelmingly determine to remain British.

The Argentine claim is based on a highly selective reading of history.

[Alan Fry]

We also have RAF Mount Pleasant on the Island with Eurofighter and other aircraft

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Originally Posted by Chris

More importantly, the British claim is backed by the Falkland Islanders themselves, who have a right to self-determination enshrined in UN charter. And the Falkland Islanders overwhelmingly determine to remain British.

The Argentine claim is based on a highly selective reading of history.

I agree, but if there is a war, It might involve the baacking of other South American Nations, The former USSR and China

Spain backs Argentina over this because they also claim Gibraltar as well

[Mr Angry]

Originally Posted by Chris

More importantly, the British claim is backed by the Falkland Islanders themselves, who have a right to self-determination enshrined in UN charter. And the Falkland Islanders overwhelmingly determine to remain British.

Nobody is denying them their right to remain British. They (the Argentinians) are questioning British "ownership" / "occupation" of the islands - that is an entirely different matter alltogether

[Damien]

Originally Posted by Mr Angry

Nobody is denying them their right to remain British. They (the Argentinians) are questioning British "ownership" / "occupation" of the islands - that is an entirely different matter alltogether

They don't have a case for that either. The British are not occupying anything, it's British land, with British people who wish to remain British. The Argentinians are just rising tensions over land they have no moral or legal right to own.

[Mr Angry]

Originally Posted by Damien

They don't have a case for that either. The British are not occupying anything, it's British land, with British people who wish to remain British. The Argentinians are just rising tensions over land they have no moral or legal right to own.

In your opinion they "don't have a case for that either". I don't care either way Damien, I was merely pointing out that the chosen nationality of the islanders is not contested.

[Chris]

Originally Posted by Mr Angry

In your opinion they "don't have a case for that either". I don't care either way Damien, I was merely pointing out that the chosen nationality of the islanders is not contested.

"self determination" is not limited to choosing your nationality. It also includes notions of governance. The Falkland Islanders choose to have HMG govern them, albeit from afar and largely hands-off.

[jamiefrost]

Originally Posted by Pog66

Just like in '82 then - the US twiddled their thumbs whilst the French had suppied Exocet missiles to teh Argentinians

If I remover correctly the French helped us by allowing harrier pilots to train against mirage planes. Im not sure but I thought the missiles were already sold. Further sales were stopped.

I think on paper dauntless has the capability to shoot done most in not all south American fighters not just Argentina's

J

[Mr Angry]

Originally Posted by Chris

"self determination" is not limited to choosing your nationality. It also includes notions of governance. The Falkland Islanders choose to have HMG govern them, albeit from afar and largely hands-off.

Yes Chris I'm aware of that. I was referencing your "And the Falkland Islanders overwhelmingly determine to remain British." statement which I understood to be a reference to their choice of nationality rather than their choice of governance.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Chris

"self determination" is not limited to choosing your nationality. It also includes notions of governance. The Falkland Islanders choose to have HMG govern them, albeit from afar and largely hands-off.

and the Argentinian's are infact questioning the islanders right to self determination as they aren't aborigional...