This MP needs a smack

[martyh]

A Labour MP has called for a change in the law so working-class parents can smack their children without fear of being prosecuted.
David Lammy, the MP for Tottenham, claims Labour's decision to tighten up the smacking law was partly to blame for last summer's riots in his constituency.

Anybody else agree with this ,personaly i think he's way of base and to single out working class children is just plain wrong because there are some pretty scummy upper class kids out there

http://news.sky.com/home/politics/article/16158818

[bigal2012]

Look up KAP by Brutal Truth.

[martyh]

Originally Posted by bigal2012

Look up KAP by Brutal Truth.

No

[papa smurf]

i wouldn't say no to having the right to give the local kids a good hiding ,in the interest of building a better Britain .

[Gary L]

I'm sure he wants it changed for all parents to be able to smack their children. it's just that it was the working class who had him about not being able to.

[martyh]

Originally Posted by Gary L

I'm sure he wants it changed for all parents to be able to smack their children. it's just that it was the working class who had him about not being able to.

I'm sure he does mean that and any change to the law would affect everyone anyway .My point was why is he talking about working class children as if middle and upper class don't do anything wrong .

[Osem]

Originally Posted by martyh

I'm sure he does mean that and any change to the law would affect everyone anyway .My point was why is he talking about working class children as if middle and upper class don't do anything wrong .

I heard part of the actual interview with Iain Dale on LBC and what he was saying is that poor working class parents often don't have the other means by which to keep their children out of trouble e.g. public schools, nannies, tennis clubs and other support and activities which are far more available to those who can afford them. His point was that for many poor and often single parents, smacking (as opposed to beating) is a more important 'tool' by which to control children and enforce discipline.

He certainly wasn't claiming that poor kids are somehow worse than their middle/upper class counterparts and given his constituency he'd be stupid to do so.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...=feeds-newsxml

[v0id]

ALL MPs need a good smack

[richard1960]

David Lammy has given an interview to London radio station LBC to explain his views which were.

Lots of his constituents are quite poor working class ones and in his interviews with them after the Tottenham riots, lots of those parents told him they were worried if they disliplined their kids on tough council estates they would have social services involoved that is where he is taking his lead from.

Since then the point has been debated on the station with the views going something like this, Middle class parents with cash to spare can afford distractions for their kids to keep then out of trouble and probaly live in leafier areas anyway or they could move,that option is not available to those cash strapped parents,so their only way of keeping disipline in these often drug rife gang led areas , is to give the kids a smack NOTE they did not mean a beating.!

I think David Lammy knows in the very tough area he represents the last Labour government took the right to disipline children largely away,he is making a brave stance to stick his head out on this particular issue,far from criticising i think he is to be congratulated.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by richard1960

David Lammy has given an interview to London radio station LBC to explain his views which were.

Lots of his constituents are quite poor working class ones and in his interviews with them after the Tottenham riots, lots of those parents told him they were worried if they disliplined their kids on tough council estates they would have social services involoved that is where he is taking his lead from.

Since then the point has been debated on the station with the views going something like this, Middle class parents with cash to spare can afford distractions for their kids to keep then out of trouble and probaly live in leafier areas anyway or they could move,that option is not available to those cash strapped parents,so their only way of keeping disipline in these often drug rife gang led areas , is to give the kids a smack NOTE they did not mean a beating.!

I think David Lammy knows in the very tough area he represents the last Labour government took the right to disipline children largely away,he is making a brave stance to stick his head out on this particular issue,far from criticising i think he is to be congratulated.

Yup that's how I see it too.

[Pierre]

Don't know on what context he was quoted, but I certainly do believe that parents should be allowed to discipline their children how they see fit, without fear of intervention by the state.

And before any dudley do right comes on and says " oh so it's ok to beat ten bells put of a kid is it" that's not what I mean and that's not 99% of parents would do either but sometimes a child needs to know there will consequences to their actions and sometimes the parent doesn't have time to reason with child and sometimes if need to get a point across immediately then a smacked bum, leg, hand etc is the best way,

You reap what you sow when the state tries to tell you how to bring up your kids, and I believe lack of dicipline on the home did play some part in the riots last year

[martyh]

Originally Posted by Osem

I heard part of the actual interview with Iain Dale on LBC and what he was saying is that poor working class parents often don't have the other means by which to keep their children out of trouble e.g. public schools, nannies, tennis clubs and other support and activities which are far more available to those who can afford them. His point was that for many poor and often single parents, smacking (as opposed to beating) is a more important 'tool' by which to control children and enforce discipline.

He certainly wasn't claiming that poor kids are somehow worse than their middle/upper class counterparts and given his constituency he'd be stupid to do so.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...=feeds-newsxml

Originally Posted by richard1960

David Lammy has given an interview to London radio station LBC to explain his views which were.

Lots of his constituents are quite poor working class ones and in his interviews with them after the Tottenham riots, lots of those parents told him they were worried if they disliplined their kids on tough council estates they would have social services involoved that is where he is taking his lead from.

Since then the point has been debated on the station with the views going something like this, Middle class parents with cash to spare can afford distractions for their kids to keep then out of trouble and probaly live in leafier areas anyway or they could move,that option is not available to those cash strapped parents,so their only way of keeping disipline in these often drug rife gang led areas , is to give the kids a smack NOTE they did not mean a beating.!

I think David Lammy knows in the very tough area he represents the last Labour government took the right to disipline children largely away,he is making a brave stance to stick his head out on this particular issue,far from criticising i think he is to be congratulated.

My problem is not if parents should be allowed to smack their kids , i think they should .I do not agree that the lack of smacking leads to drug dealers ,robbers ,muggers and rioters in inner city areas .Peer preasure and lack of money have far more to do with the descisions a child makes when growing up as does correct upbringing whether smacked as child or not .The other big problem is that most of the parents of such children do not actually care less and benefit from the mis-deeds of their ofspring ...and they where allowed to be smacked as where there parents.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by martyh

My problem is not if parents should be allowed to smack their kids , i think they should .I do not agree that the lack of smacking leads to drug dealers ,robbers ,muggers and rioters in inner city areas .Peer preasure and lack of money have far more to do with the descisions a child makes when growing up as does correct upbringing whether smacked as child or not .The other big problem is that most of the parents of such children do not actually care less and benefit from the mis-deeds of their ofspring ...and they where allowed to be smacked as where there parents.

There are clearly very many factors which lead to children making the wrong decisons and those factors cross the boundaries of class/wealth. I don't think Lammy is saying that the ONLY factor is smacking or the lack of, merely that, for a good proportion of people he represents, banning smacking would remove the one remaining tool they feel they have for enforcing their will when all else fails. He was simply addressing a current issue not claiming that corporal punishment (or the lack of) is the only factor in what determines which path children take.

[colin25]

Spanking a child is fine..excessive spanking is either abuse..or if with a partner..kinky

[martyh]

Originally Posted by Osem

There are clearly very many factors which lead to children making the wrong decisons and those factors cross the boundaries of class/wealth. I don't think Lammy is saying that the ONLY factor is smacking or the lack of, merely that, for a good proportion of people he represents, banning smacking would remove the one remaining tool they feel they have for enforcing their will when all else fails. He was simply addressing a current issue not claiming that corporal punishment (or the lack of) is the only factor in what determines which path children take.

Would those parents complaining about not being allowed to smack their kids have actually smacked or even disciplined their kids though ,or are they just using that as a excuse for their own failings ?.I think most would not .When faced with the public outcry over the riots which led to the inevitable scrutiny of wayward parents and the way they raise their children the excuse of "but we aren't allowed to smack our kids" comes out .I'm sorry but i just don't see the connection