[Updated]Abu Qatada wins new deportation appeal
17-01-2012, 14:34
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re: [Updated]Abu Qatada's deportation appeal REJECTED
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But you see these terrorists WANT this kind of laws and courts to be all over the world. Why shouldn't they be judged by the system they so want to see pre-eminment? I call it poetic justice and have no problem with the death of a convicted terrorist.
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Because the 'race to the bottom' would denigrate the concept of justice worldwide. (See also 'Lowest common denominator'.)
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He won't get prosecuted here because of the HRA handwringers and even if we did he'd get off with a slap on the wrist and a nice big benefits package.
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If he 'got off' charges in the UK (presumably because he'd been found not guilty), why would he receive a "slap on the wrist"?
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Originally Posted by Alan Fry
But he come is not a human rights, democracy activist or a refugee, so he has no reason not to be deported!
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Sorry, could you rephrase that?
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Has there been an extradition request from any of those countries?
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None that I'm aware of.
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17-01-2012, 14:37
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re: [Updated]Abu Qatada's deportation appeal REJECTED
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"Not good" doesn't even begin to describe Jordanian 'justice'
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and yet they accepted our deal with them regarding his treatment was sound, deport him anyway imo.
The Strasbourg judges accepted that the UK's deal with Jordan over treatment of deported suspects was sound
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17-01-2012, 14:43
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re: [Updated]Abu Qatada's deportation appeal REJECTED
But he is not a human rights, democracy activist or a refugee, so he has no reason not to be deported!
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17-01-2012, 15:28
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re: [Updated]Abu Qatada's deportation appeal REJECTED
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But he is not a human rights, democracy activist or a refugee, so he has no reason not to be deported!
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Only according to your warped concept of what constitutes human rights! 
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17-01-2012, 15:33
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re: [Updated]Abu Qatada's deportation appeal REJECTED
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Only according to your warped concept of what constitutes human rights! |
How is he a human rights activist?  He is at the very least a criminal, evading justice. I think what was originally meant was '(human rights or democracy) activist or a refugee'.
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17-01-2012, 15:52
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re: [Updated]Abu Qatada's deportation appeal REJECTED
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How is he a human rights activist? He is at the very least a criminal, evading justice. I think what was originally meant was '(human rights or democracy) activist or a refugee'. |
That is what I am saying!
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17-01-2012, 16:14
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re: [Updated]Abu Qatada's deportation appeal REJECTED
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How is he a human rights activist? He is at the very least a criminal, evading justice. I think what was originally meant was '(human rights or democracy) activist or a refugee'. |
Alan earlier indicated that he believes that the European Human Rights Convention and our Human Rights Act should ONLY apply to '(human rights or democracy) activist or a refugee'.
I disagree strongly.
Oh and he's only been found guilty (in absentia) by a Jordanian court on the evidence obtained by torture of his co-accused. No other country, including the UK, seem to want to give him a fair trial...
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17-01-2012, 16:31
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re: [Updated]Abu Qatada's deportation appeal REJECTED
I would have to agree with ceedee on this .We cannot in all conscience deport him based on evidence obtained by torture and knowing that in all likelyhood he will be tortured again It is the same as condoning torture and since part of the reason for going to Iraq and Afghanistan was to rid the world of regimes that use torture ,it would make that a waste of time and lives .I can understand that people want this odious man out of our country but we cannot pick and choose what basic rights people have .
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17-01-2012, 16:37
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re: [Updated]Abu Qatada's deportation appeal REJECTED
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<snip> since part of the reason for going to Iraq and Afghanistan was to rid the world of regimes that use torture ,it would make that a waste of time and lives <snip>
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I thought the US went to Iraq and Afghanistan to carry out torture that isn't allowed on their home soil?
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17-01-2012, 16:40
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re: [Updated]Abu Qatada's deportation appeal REJECTED
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What kind of human rights declaration do you imagine would sanction 'exporting' suspects to countries widely recognised for systematic torture?
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Which version of human rights would sanction allowing a known terrorist to live in the country he hates and wants to harm ????
Send him home and let him ROT
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17-01-2012, 16:53
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re: [Updated]Abu Qatada's deportation appeal REJECTED
Send him to Guatanamo Bay and throw away the key, he would suit an orange jumpsuit and a hood will Metallica on full volume 24/7. 
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17-01-2012, 17:03
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re: [Updated]Abu Qatada's deportation appeal REJECTED
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Send him to Guatanamo Bay and throw away the key, he would suit an orange jumpsuit and a hood will Metallica on full volume 24/7. |
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17-01-2012, 17:25
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re: [Updated]Abu Qatada's deportation appeal REJECTED
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That is what I am saying!
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No, it wasn't - we can only read what you say, not try to guess what you thought you meant to say....
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17-01-2012, 17:33
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re: [Updated]Abu Qatada's deportation appeal REJECTED
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If they have commited crimes in other countries (with the exception of democracy, human rights activists and perscuted people) why should we keep them here, Britain should not be a haven for rouges!
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It's OK, I doubt that Qatada is one for wearing make-up, although even if he did like to go around with a bit of blush on, I don't see what the problem is.
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17-01-2012, 17:50
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Maybe with some manscara and guyliner....
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