Sharia law on the increase in Britain.

[Gary L]

An estimated 85 Sharia councils could be operating in Britain, according to a 2009 report by the think tank Civitas.
Several bodies like the Islamic Sharia Council have seen a large increase in their cases in the past five years.
''Our cases have easily more than tripled over the past three to five years," says Sheikh al-Haddad.
''On average, every month we can deal with anything from 200 to 300 cases. A few years ago it was just a small fraction of that.
''Muslims are becoming more aligned with their faith and more aware of what we are offering them,'' he explained.

Despite the growing demand for Sharia law in Britain, there is also increasing opposition by some groups who argue that the practice discriminates against women.
The Iranian and Kurdish Women's Rights Organisation (IKWRO) is campaigning to bring an end to the practice.
''We have spoken to many women and all of them tell us the same story; Sharia law is not providing them with the justice they seek. The councils are dominated by men, who are making judgements in favour of men,'' said Diana Nammi.

''If you ban us, then British Muslims will find somewhere else to go.
''Many will go to Muslim countries abroad, where there will be no way to protect them.''

You're British citizens. we have a thing that's called British law. you get it free and it's compulsory with British citizenship.

Have they done any stoning of a woman yet?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-16522447

[Kymmy]

As I understand it Sharia law can only be used in this country if both sides agree to it and only in civil cases.

That will never include punishments which are illegal in this country

[Alan Fry]

We do not need Sharia law, We have English and Scottish law! Sharia law is not legal in the first place!

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Kymmy

As I understand it Sharia law can only be used in this country if both sides agree to it and only in civil cases.

That will never include punishments which are illegal in this country

When a woman says no, but a little bit of yes from the start. the no's will gradually turn into yes's

[Hugh]

Originally Posted by Alan Fry

We do not need Sharia law, We have English and Scottish law! Sharia law is not legal in the first place!

Try reading the link....

Sharia has been operating in the UK, managed by locally-appointed councils, in parallel to the British legal system since 1982.

But the informal councils have no legal powers and they cannot impose any penalties.

They deal with civil cases alone, but many Muslims are choosing to voluntarily accept rulings made by the scholars.

Omar Hannan, 28, from Solihull, turned to Sharia instead of the British courts after an ownership dispute broke out between the British Muslim partners at his industrial cleaning company.

''It fulfilled my Islamic spiritual principles which was the main reason I went to a Muslim tribunal.

''But it was also very quick. We resolved it in three to four months,'' he said.

''It only cost a couple of hundred pounds, and you can imagine how much it would have cost through the English legal system,'' he added.

And as I stated in a similar thread just over two years ago, both the Jewish and the Muslim versions of this are run under the auspices of the Arbitration Act

The Ministry of Justice said: "Communities have the option to use religious councils and to agree to abide by their decisions. These decisions are subject to national law and cannot be enforced through the national courts, save in limited circumstances."

"There may be incompatibilities between English and religious laws and the parties should always have the option to refer to the English or Welsh family courts should they wish to do.

"Any member of any community should know that they have the right to refer to an English or Welsh court at any point, particularly in the event that they feel pressured or coerced to resolve an issue in a way with which they feel uncomfortable.

"We are proud of our diverse society and are committed to ensuring cohesive communities. Nothing in the law of England and Wales prevents people abiding by Sharia principles if they wish, provided their actions do not conflict with English and Welsh law."

[Kymmy]

Then perhaps the issue isn't Sharia law but instead making everyone understand that they do not have to abide by it unless they choose to. If there's no call for it then there would never be a problem but as far as I'm concerned if two consenting adults wish to use it to solve a civil problem then who are we to say no to them..

[martyh]

Originally Posted by Kymmy

Then perhaps the issue isn't Sharia law but instead making everyone understand that they do not have to abide by it unless they choose to. If there's no call for it then there would never be a problem but as far as I'm concerned if two consenting adults wish to use it to solve a civil problem then who are we to say no to them..

My thoughts entirely .Let them use Sharia law as much as they want as long as they don't try to use sharia law in place of UK criminal law it's fine by me .Us indigenous folk do it all the time

[Hom3r]

Originally Posted by Kymmy

As I understand it Sharia law can only be used in this country if both sides agree to it and only in civil cases.

That will never include punishments which are illegal in this country

But I bet its dealt even if one party disagrees.

IMHO Sharia Law should be totally illegal in the UK, if you want to practice it you know where to go.

[Hugh]

Originally Posted by Hom3r

But I bet its dealt even if one party disagrees.

IMHO Sharia Law should be totally illegal in the UK, if you want to practice it you know where to go.

Best send those practicing Beth Din to Israel, then....

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Best send those practicing Beth Din to Israel, then....

They don't do criminal or family. only civil.
bit like mediation really.

[Hugh]

From the link

British Jews, particularly the orthodox, will frequently turn to their own religious courts, the Beth Din, to resolve civil disputes, covering issues as diverse as business and divorce

I would have thought "divorce" came under family, and neither Sharia or Beth Din in the UK "do criminal".

[Kymmy]

Depends on the religion.. in some countries you need a religious divorce as well as a legal divorce.

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Hugh

and neither Sharia or Beth Din in the UK "do criminal".

Yet.
and we all know a lot of them want it to. by allowing them certain aspects of "Sharia law" to be used. it will only be a matter of time before they start delving deeper. with the reasoning that we've been doing Sharia in the UK all this time and this is who we are and what we do. are you being racist because we're Muslim? why you picking on us man?

[Hugh]

"Yet" - this from someone who posts

When a woman says no, but a little bit of yes from the start. the no's will gradually turn into yes's

You appear to only countenance the outcomes that you want to.

---------- Post added at 15:03 ---------- Previous post was at 15:02 ----------

Originally Posted by Kymmy

Depends on the religion.. in some countries you need a religious divorce as well as a legal divorce.

We are talking about the UK, so I would have thought that "divorce" would come under the heading of "family".

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Hugh

"Yet" - this from someone who posts You appear to only countenance the outcomes that you want to.

I was going to say from little acorns grow big oak trees.