Inaccuracies dog 'fit to work' test

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by djfunkdup

i would rather they changed it and the money saved could go to building new schools and hospitals for children ect...

Do you know how many new hospitals and schools you can have instead of a fast train?

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Originally Posted by Hugh

Gary, you appear to be stating this person has saved over £5k per year, or £100 per week - that seems unlikely if she is solely living on benefits, imho.

How much was she getting a week in total?

[dilligaf1701]

Originally Posted by djfunkdup

Maybee so dill..as i said earlier i dont really no that much about the benefits system..


i just think that too much of our taxes are wasted on the current DWP system..

people should be given the bare minimum in payments to get by with..

i would rather they changed it and the money saved could go to building new schools and hospitals for children ect...

Indeed but it would be worth noting that different benefits are there for different reasons. DLA and ESA / IB for example are for two different things.


While one is indeed for "living with" for want of a better phrase the DLA is for help with the disability fit example I've now given up the mobility component for a car so I can get about more.

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by dilligaf1701

While one is indeed for "living with" for want of a better phrase the DLA is for help with the disability fit example I've now given up the mobility component for a car so I can get about more.

True. and some say that's too much. around £50 a week for travel expenses or a brand new car.

[Mr Angry]

Originally Posted by Gary L

We don't know what benefits she claims or what the limits are.
it's no good us guessing and wasting peoples time.

If she were only claiming DLA then perhaps you might have a point.

However, according to you, she claims "disability benefits" therefore reporting her is not a waste of time.

That is if she actually exists and isn't just a figment of your fertile imagination which you've dreamed up to cause a bit of a heated debate.

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Mr Angry

If she were only claiming DLA then perhaps you might have a point.

However, according to you, she claims "disability benefits" therefore reporting her is not a waste of time.

Oh, a plural.
she's old, and she'll be really sad if I twit on her

That is if she actually exists and isn't just a figment of your fertile imagination which you've dreamed up to cause a bit of a heated debate.

She's real. I can show you a pic of her go-kart as proof.

[Mr Angry]

Originally Posted by Gary L

Oh, a plural.

Yes, you surprised me with that.

Originally Posted by Gary L

she's old, and she'll be really sad if I twit on her

Yet you sit and bemoan the state your country is in.

[martyh]

Originally Posted by djfunkdup

i will admit that i do not know that much about the benefits system..i have worked and supported myself since i left school at 16..

i do understand that you have an illness and as i said earlier i do hope you get better asap..and i really do mean that

but my understanding was that people that were unemployed and people that were ill got help from the goverment in order for them to survive and get by..

i also understand that people that are ill get extra money as they sometimes need help with extra things plus their illness could need extra funding in order for it to be treated..

i was never under the impression that people were give more money than
they needed in order for them to have luxurys in their life..

and i am sorry to say it,but someone on benefits that can afford things like :

Services: XL tv and HD sports and movies,Racing UK, BB 30mb, 2 tivo,s, Samsung I9100 Galaxy S II, HTC Desir

well in my opinion they are getting too much money and i can see why the system needs changed..

sorry if i have offended you...my post was not intended too offend you

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Well is it not also true if you have a second income ie: your partner then you should receive even less on benefits as you have money coming in from another source.. ??


dwp money is meant to be the lowest amount that they think you need to survive on ..??? no ?

Services: XL tv and HD sports and movies,Racing UK, BB 30mb, 2 tivo,s, Samsung I9100 Galaxy S II, HTC Desir

sorry reading this leaves a bad taste in my mouth......i shall not say anymore on this because i do not want to look as if i am attacking you in anyway.... hope you get better soon..all the best darren

whilst i agree to a certain extent on what you're saying those who can never work should be allowed a certain quality of life and i think it is the duty of society as a whole to support these people by virtue of a slightly more valuable benefit .Having said that if society is going to support these people then thorough checks do have to be made to make sure they truly cannot work because like it or not some disabled or ill people are capable of some kind of work

[djfunkdup]

Originally Posted by dilligaf1701

Indeed but it would be worth noting that different benefits are there for different reasons. DLA and ESA / IB for example are for two different things.


While one is indeed for "living with" for want of a better phrase the DLA is for help with the disability fit example I've now given up the mobility component for a car so I can get about more.

hi dill...yes i understand what you are saying about the 2 different components of DLA..

i am not saying put a stop to all benefits...nothing of the sort..


the current dwp SYSTEM IS WRONG AND WASTES FAR TOO MUCH MONEY!!

i do not no enought about the benefits system,....but i do no that 2 much money gets wasted on it and too much money gets lost in the system as well..

it needs changed and the money saved needs to be spent on other things that will benefit people...schools,childrens hospitals ect..

[dilligaf1701]

I definitely think the system needs sorting for sure but I don't think ATOS should be involved in it, I don't think they can do the job properly.

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Mr Angry

Yet you sit and bemoan the state your country is in.

I'll be judged later in life.

who thought up these limits anyway?
if you're allowed by law to save your benefits up to a total of £16,000 before being classed as in no need for state help. then isn't £100 a sensible limit instead?

just heard on the news that cancer sufferers will lose benefits for savings over £16,000. does that mean they'll be buying a new TV and kitchen every couple of years to meet the requirement?

it'll annoy the neighbours though. seeing them buying all this luxury stuff when they're supposed to be on benefit or it's plural.

[djfunkdup]

Originally Posted by martyh

whilst i agree to a certain extent on what you're saying those who can never work should be allowed a certain quality of life and i think it is the duty of society as a whole to support these people by virtue of a slightly more valuable benefit .Having said that if society is going to support these people then thorough checks do have to be made to make sure they truly cannot work because like it or not some disabled or ill people are capable of some kind of work

Yes man i agree with you here,,,that is why the current system needs changed..people that have no chance of working again because of illness or injury should be on a benefit that maintains an average way of life.....


but i dont really think the numbers will be that high....most if not all people on benefits are able to do something...

it seams to me now that being on benefits seams to be a lifestyle for people..


i dont think that was the intention of the benefits system was it ????


cheers..d.

[Hugh]

Update from the BBC

The government has lost three votes in the House of Lords over its plans to cut the welfare bill.
Peers voted by 260 to 216 to protect up to 15,000 young disabled people from cuts to employment support allowance.
They voted 234 to 186 for a two-year limit on claims, rather than the proposed one year, and by 222 to 166 to exempt cancer sufferers from a limit.

[Maggy J]

Originally Posted by New to cable

I think getting tough on people who claim "on the sick" is a great idea. I know down my local pub is a guy who is 43 never worked in the 6 years I've known of him.

I asked him about work he says he wants to but he can't because of his back, apparently he can't sit in the same position for long yet I've seen him sit in the same seat in the pub for over 6 hours only getting up for another drink or go the toilet. I've also seen him sit fishing for over 7 hours.

He also claims he can't lift anything yet he carries about 7 tons of fishing equipment about a third of a mile down a path to his favorite fishing spot.

I bet 15% of claimants are able to do some kind of work probably higher. Get all the scroungers of benefits and increase the amount given to genuine claimants.

Then report him...

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Originally Posted by djfunkdup

please dont take this the wrong way...i hope you get better from your illness asap...

but if you are on benefits and you are complaining that they are about to cut your money but you are also able to afford:


Services: XL tv and HD sports and movies,Racing UK, BB 30mb, 2 tivo,s, Samsung I9100 Galaxy S II, HTC Desir ???


defo something wrong with the DWP payments system.you are being over paid as it is. ...no offence meant

I really don't think you have thought it through.To the severely disabled and housebound I'd suggest a TV and the internet for online shopping and access to various government agencies plus online banking are a lifeline.. plus how they use their benefits to aid them in their illness is up to them.

My Ma in law uses the benefits she is entitled to to employ someone to help her have a shower twice a week which at 97 she does have problems of safety and security.That's how she chooses to spend her money.She also pays for a cleaner once a week.

[RizzyKing]

Well reading all this has cheered me right up given i have just got my form to go from incapacity onto ESA. Having had a look at the form i know i will already get an assessment date in leicester where i will probably be accused again of putting on a limp. For those who are not aware and for those who feel most benefit claimants can do some sort of work i have chronic progressive ankylosing spondylitis. Also recently told by orthapaedic surgein that the limitation in my shoulders is likely severe arthritis that due to my age (41) rules out some treatments.

Also some of you need to remember that as bad as i am every two weeks you'll see me in town apart from my limp and spinal defotmation i probably look quite capable. You won't see me doing anything after that for at least a week till the pain of my stubborness dies down.

I have said a few times on this and other forums that i believe in a simple solution that would remove much of the fraud which atos certainly doesn't. My solution is get reports on capability from the people already getting paid to treat us and have the advantage of knowing the conditions they would be reporting on again something atos doesn't. Trust me when i say these days consultants don't waste their time unless they believe a problem actually exists and affects a patient. Second stage a two tier medical benefits system tiered by medical confirmation of a problem which woild place you in the top tier with short term in lower tier with reduced payments.

Bear in mind most fraudsters these days don't do longterm claims on disability as the checks have gotten a lot stricter in recent years. We already pay the nhs to treat us having them play no official role in whether people merit their benefit staggers my belief. I as claimant have to ask my medical team which right now consists of consultant rhumatologist, orthapaedic surgeon, specialist rhumatology nurse, physiotherapist and of course my gp to make a report for me to send.

Sucks to be disabled in the Uk first you have pain everyday and psychological effects of being unable to do sometimes basic things we also spend our time now worrying about our benefits being stopped not because we are frauds but because certain media and govrrnment people make out fraud is rampant great.

[Mick Fisher]

After reading all the thread I applaud points raised by Denphone, Maggy, Martyh and RizzyKing.

However I am appalled, but not really surprised, by the opinion of some who seem to think that because a person lives alone, is forced to endure severe disabilities and as a result is housebound that they should be denied TV, phone and a computer.

For that person these things are not luxuries, they are necessities. The phone is an emergency lifeline, the TV helps to stop one going insane through terminal boredom as does the computer which is also their only means of shopping and interaction with other people.

So how do the disabled afford these luxuries? Well I cannot speak for all but in my case, not smoking, not drinking, not taking a holiday, not spending a small fortune on clothes or going out (if only I could) certainly helps.

Those are all things I can do without but take away my phone, my TV, my computer and force me to be on my own,staring at the wall all day then I would have absolutely no reason to continue to live.

To those who would deny me my so called "luxuries" I can only say try it for a few years and see how you like it.