Four Police Injured In London Knife Attack

[Sirius]

A man has been arrested on suspicion of attempted murder after four police officers were injured in a knife attack in northwest London.

One of the officers is reportedly in a serious condition in hospital after being stabbed in the stomach.

Two others were also stabbed while another suffered a hand injury.

The incident happened after police were called to a disturbance in Kingsbury Road, Kingsbury, about 8.40am.

http://news.sky.com/home/uk-news/article/16113501

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-15803860

I do hope the police officer who is seriously injured pulls through

[Hugh]

Yup - crappy job, very little appreciation.

[Derek]

Originally Posted by Sirius

I do hope the police officer who is seriously injured pulls through

Hope they are OK and recover quickly. With this coming hot on the heels of the guardians disgraceful story on Mark Duggans shooting (can't be bothered linking to it. Basically because his prints were not on the gun but were all over the box the gun was in, he wasn't armed ) it is another reason why all front line cops should have access to Taser at a minimum.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Derek

it is another reason why all front line cops should have access to Taser at a minimum.

I await the response of a certain 'airborne young male' CF member to post about why that is a terrible idea...

[mertle]

Originally Posted by Russ

I await the response of a certain 'airborne young male' CF member to post about why that is a terrible idea...

I am not young but would wholly think this would be bad idea. In the wrong hands and not trained officers in not just use but in given situations it would be DEADLY.

What needed is EXTRA body protection we should not jump with kneejerk overkill solutions. Maybe small shield or goto the american still old truncheons.

This could be held to protect the arm like shield think the telescopic truncheons very poorly designed give little flexibility. All you can do is swipe with it swish this makes officers vunerable for lunges.

The use truncheon could still be used in that manner but prod and arm protection I said but even to hold suspects. Even use handle trip a suspect up even.

Its more flexible in aperatius tool and should be the truncheon of choice for our police.

Yes hope they all alright.

[Arthurgray50@blu]

My son is about to join the police family and l was a volunteer for many years, what really annoys and frustrates me that the Met is being torn to bits by budget cuts, and the morale is low.

But they still have this professionalism and courage to go on the streets each day to protect us and keep us safe.

I am proud of my son for doing what he believes in.

I believe that the police should be given every item of equipment to keep them safe, remember they have families too.

[DaiNasty]

"one of the officers was stabbed in the stomach, a second suffered head injuries and a stab to the arm, the third officer received a stab wound to the leg and the fourth officer, who was slashed, suffered a broken hand."

And you think giving them a little shield or a slightly bigger stick is going to make that vital difference.

Get real. You need something that is going to stop reliably at a distance and is frightening enough to make a druggie halfbrain consider his chances.

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by mertle

I am not young but would wholly think this would be bad idea. In the wrong hands and not trained officers in not just use but in given situations it would be DEADLY.

What needed is EXTRA body protection we should not jump with kneejerk overkill solutions. Maybe small shield or goto the american still old truncheons.

This could be held to protect the arm like shield think the telescopic truncheons very poorly designed give little flexibility. All you can do is swipe with it swish this makes officers vunerable for lunges.

The use truncheon could still be used in that manner but prod and arm protection I said but even to hold suspects. Even use handle trip a suspect up even.

Its more flexible in aperatius tool and should be the truncheon of choice for our police.

Yes hope they all alright.

Tell me would YOU take on a mad man armed with a knife when all you have is a small shield or stick ????


I say give them all training and arm them with taser NOW and don't let the arm chair generals stop our police from being properly equipped to confront mad men with knives

[mertle]

Originally Posted by Sirius

Tell me would YOU take on a mad man armed with a knife when all you have is a small shield or stick ????


I say give them all training and arm them with taser NOW and don't let the arm chair generals stop our police from being properly equipped to confront mad men with knives

have you seen the american truncheon its not small under training both would be adequate protection from frontal attack.

On the one stabbed in stomach why was not wearing the protective gear. That needs a very big investigation why.

Another is the new material uniforms which can propel knife attacks although its new expensive it would be another protection.

Hell too many got kneejerk reactions give them tassers lets see deaths too through missuse. Those who calling it would be first to be moaning if loved one got tassered killed. I will re-retorate TASSERS not the Answer. Unless they lower the voltage they too dangerous in the wrong hands.

Lets not forgetting many out there live there lives with unknown heart conditions my worry the tasser would be deployed in NON LIFE THREATENING situations to OFFICERS.

Should we just go FULL HOCK give them all FIREARM.

[Mr Angry]

Originally Posted by mertle

Should we just go FULL HOCK give them all FIREARM.

Yes.

Glock, Sig and Walther 'em to the teeth and be done with it.

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by mertle

Should we just go FULL HOCK give them all FIREARM.

I carried firearms with loaded magazines on a lot of occasions amongst the public and i did not suddenly turn into a killer. I have no issue if police are trained properly with them having firearms

[Hugh]

Originally Posted by mertle

have you seen the american truncheon its not small under training both would be adequate protection from frontal attack.

On the one stabbed in stomach why was not wearing the protective gear. That needs a very big investigation why.

Another is the new material uniforms which can propel knife attacks although its new expensive it would be another protection.

Hell too many got kneejerk reactions give them tassers lets see deaths too through missuse. Those who calling it would be first to be moaning if loved one got tassered killed. I will re-retorate TASSERS not the Answer. Unless they lower the voltage they too dangerous in the wrong hands.

Lets not forgetting many out there live there lives with unknown heart conditions my worry the tasser would be deployed in NON LIFE THREATENING situations to OFFICERS.

Should we just go FULL HOCK give them all FIREARM.

Speaking of knee-jerk reactions, it does seem your first response to anything is to blame somebody, without even thinking about any facts.

How do you know he wasn't wearing the stab vest? It only comes down to the waist*, and the stomach doesn't stop at the waist does it? (or perhaps the perp stabbed upwards from a low angle?

*if it was any longer, they couldn't run, bend, etc....

[DaiNasty]

Originally Posted by Mr Angry

Yes.

Glock, Sig and Walther 'em to the teeth and be done with it.

Those officers who wish to carry firearms should be trained and armed as routine.

Our crims are increasingly armed and ready to use firearms or knives at the sight of a blue light.

We need to give our guys a fair chance. For gods sake, their numbers are being cut every day. Would you really want to be out there, single-crewed, with a tin of pepper and a stick to tackle some crackhead with a cleaver?

[Russ]

Originally Posted by mertle

I am not young but would wholly think this would be bad idea. In the wrong hands and not trained officers in not just use but in given situations it would be DEADLY.

So give the police the right training then.

[Derek]

Originally Posted by mertle

I am not young but would wholly think this would be bad idea. In the wrong hands and not trained officers in not just use but in given situations it would be DEADLY.

What needed is EXTRA body protection we should not jump with kneejerk overkill solutions. Maybe small shield or goto the american still old truncheons.

This could be held to protect the arm like shield think the telescopic truncheons very poorly designed give little flexibility. All you can do is swipe with it swish this makes officers vunerable for lunges.

The use truncheon could still be used in that manner but prod and arm protection I said but even to hold suspects. Even use handle trip a suspect up even.

A lot of forces used to have the American style baton (PR-24) and binned it as it wasn't fit for purpose. I much prefer a straight baton and you can do a hell of a lot more with it than a straight swipe strike.

And if people think having a yellow plastic taser or glock on their belt would make them unapproachable what effect would having them carry a shield and long stick at all times have.

Originally Posted by mertle

have you seen the american truncheon its not small under training both would be adequate protection from frontal attack.

On the one stabbed in stomach why was not wearing the protective gear. That needs a very big investigation why.

Another is the new material uniforms which can propel knife attacks although its new expensive it would be another protection.

A stab vest, as pointed out by Hugh, protects the core. It leaves the head, arms, legs, neck, abdomen and hips unprotected. It's also heavy, uncomfortable and I don't think making it bigger is the answer.

Originally Posted by mertle

Lets not forgetting many out there live there lives with unknown heart conditions my worry the tasser would be deployed in NON LIFE THREATENING situations to OFFICERS.

Yeah you can't move now for cops using CS and batons right, left and centre. Get real, it's a tool, what makes you think it would be be fired off at randoms walking down the street.

Originally Posted by mertle

Should we just go FULL HOCK give them all FIREARM.

Gets my vote.

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All of a sudden after seeing that I feel quite stabby...