its started young now being forced to work in supermarkets for no pay just dole

[mertle]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/20...ent?intcmp=122

I actually find the whole thing distatesful that people will not get jobs worse companies will cut jobs to get the jobseekers in who they wont pay any wage towards.

Think this should be abandoned before its abused.

Without ANY GUARANTEE job at end of this this clearly shown as the sham it was when first heared it way for BIG BUSINESS to negate paying a wage whether partime or minimum wage fulltime job.

Its SCUM simply as that how many jobs will this destroy not just in PUBLIC SECTOR as suspect parkways other council work might be replaced. To HEAR PRIVATE SECTOR GORGING the freebie is disgraceful.

We could litarally chuck everybody on JSA re-employ them back as free workers at this rate.

Wonder if its the stealth way destroying minimum wage jobs replacing it with JSA claiments.

[Stuart]

it's not new.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Youth_Training_Scheme

That's another scheme that was started basically to train teenagers in skills they would need for work, but ended up as a cheap source of labour for employers, and a way for the Government to reduce the unemployment figures.

And yes, I know they were supposed to provide training, but they only had to get some paperwork signed that said the student had done the training. Easy enough to arrange when the company that placed the students in your organisation is getting paid for each student.

[Gary L]

Just think how much money thay save from thousands of unpaid hours they don't have to employ and pay somebody to do.

but at the end of the day it's work experience. and you can come away with a reference to go and apply for that job at Tesco's with.

they'd sooner employ and pay you than the benefit scum they get sent for free every month from the dole.

everyone's corrupt.

[mertle]

Originally Posted by Stuart

it's not new.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Youth_Training_Scheme

That's another scheme that was started basically to train teenagers in skills they would need for work, but ended up as a cheap source of labour for employers, and a way for the Government to reduce the unemployment figures.

And yes, I know they were supposed to provide training, but they only had to get some paperwork signed that said the student had done the training. Easy enough to arrange when the company that placed the students in your organisation is getting paid for each student.

You updated it when clicked was going say they cater 16-18 age group this new ball game of clear exploitation.

Some those schemes actually worked created some jobs although mainly they too was exploited. This not designed to create jobs but remove jobs keep people from twiddling thumbs.

The other how exactly they supposed to try find employment on theis abomadation. Its not just looking in advert which seems the government thinks. Its seeking out information ie libraries which will be closed when they finished there JSA job.

Its about careful preperations to make sure things right not simply quick right up post CV with letter. Then again doubt cameron and cronies ever ever job hunted to know what it involves. Its day job in its own right when done correctly.

Worry how many jobs this will destroy right at time government needs every penny unless they see low paid now big target of drain resources to them. Especially some get tax credit.

[Gary L]

If we do have another riot. I bet it will be the taxpayers and the reason is they don't think it's right that they have to pay taxes to increase these companies annual profits by them not having to pay for a work force.

slave labour. human rights. and all the rest.

[mertle]

Originally Posted by Gary L

If we do have another riot. I bet it will be the taxpayers and the reason is they don't think it's right that they have to pay taxes to increase these companies annual profits by them not having to pay for a work force.

slave labour. human rights. and all the rest.

That indeed could be the epitaph of this policy. Nearer to riots could be is Shop workers strike actions as think these seem the vunerable workforce to this at present. Would not be suprised already unions not happy monitoring this very very closely. Could companies be forced to revoke the move by strike action all its staff.

should it be reserved for community/charitable work only.

[Damien]

As someone in the comments mentioned it's even more depressing that it's large companies benefiting from such labour. If your going to have such a (imo, stupid) policy then at least let charities and non-profits benefit...

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by Gary L

If we do have another riot. I bet it will be the taxpayers and the reason is they don't think it's right that they have to pay taxes to increase these companies annual profits by them not having to pay for a work force.

slave labour. human rights. and all the rest.

That's what starting to anger me about these companies. Yes, you can argue that large companies are contributing a lot of money to the economy , and paying a lot of tax (whether they pay it directly, or indirectly through employees buying goods and paying things like VAT), and they are.

However, what is happening is that a lot of these companies are reporting record profits now, increasing prices to the consumer and reducing their paid UK workforce whether by using schemes like this, or outsourcing to other countries.

The government, for it's part, is helping them do this, instead of working to ensure paid employment for the voters, you know, those people who could (in theory) actually pay for the goverment to function.

---------- Post added at 17:16 ---------- Previous post was at 17:12 ----------

Originally Posted by Damien

As someone in the comments mentioned it's even more depressing that it's large companies benefiting from such labour. If your going to have such a (imo, stupid) policy then at least let charities and non-profits benefit...

I would have no problem with people having to work for charities or non profit organisations for their benefits..

After all, someone working for free for a charity is more likely to be a benefit to the community than someone just being another shelf stacking drone for Tesco or Sainsbury for three weeks.

[Maggy J]

I'm wondering if this is another case of an agency going beyond their remit?

[Gary L]

It will be a bit of fun though teasing the chav slave labourer at Tesco's. getting him to throw a few bottles of that (posh bottled water that we all think is cool) at you. and watching them replace him with the number 47 week 28 girl.

gone are the days when you could trust Tesco staff not to jump on you when your backs turned to them. now you'll just want to rush in and rush out and avoid eye contact with the slave labourers. because you just don't know what mood the scum are in today!

[Hugh]

You really are the epitome of human warmth and kindness, aren't you?

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Hugh

You really are the epitome of human warmth and kindness, aren't you?

Thanks, Hugh.

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by Stuart

That's what starting to anger me about these companies. Yes, you can argue that large companies are contributing a lot of money to the economy , and paying a lot of tax (whether they pay it directly, or indirectly through employees buying goods and paying things like VAT), and they are.

However, what is happening is that a lot of these companies are reporting record profits now, increasing prices to the consumer and reducing their paid UK workforce whether by using schemes like this, or outsourcing to other countries.

The government, for it's part, is helping them do this, instead of working to ensure paid employment for the voters, you know, those people who could (in theory) actually pay for the goverment to function.

Corporatism.

[mertle]

Do we know if companies paying the dole for previlage to cheap labour.

I believe the YTS scheme companies was required to pay not only that think individuals got £15 top up and transport costs remburst ages since was on one to remember the ins and outs famous YTS YOPS some called it.

I could see the government making killing if companies overtake paying the individuals dole payments.

Still think what unions going to make about job stealing. As cant think its any other employing someone for nothing who would normally been paid minimum wage.

Anybody think this has potential to shut the country down in wildfire strikes. Certainly would not want to work with anybody who there for nothing would refuse to even acknowledge there existence. If the company complained would say not in my contract or remit to my job security to deal with them. Making my opinion known wont accept slave labour collegues.

[Hugh]

As a point of information, from the OP

if jobseekers "express an interest" in an offer of work experience they must continue to work without pay, after a one-week cooling-off period or face having their benefits docked.

Doing this is not compulsory, and they have a week to say "no thanks".

(and I don't think people should be working for only the JSA (not dole), and I also think that there should be some top-up from the employers, even if only travelling expenses).