UK and Europe-wide ban next please!

[Taf]

Animals need to be treated with humanity even to their deaths AFAIC

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-15610142

[Russ]

I can envisage all the closet (and not so secret) anti-islamics suddenly proclaiming how much they're in favour of humane treatment of animals.

[Taf]

Islam has laws regarding which foods can and cannot be eaten and also on the proper method of slaughtering an animal for consumption, known as dhabihah. However if there is no other food available then a Muslim is allowed to eat non-halal food. Surah 2:173 states:

If one is forced because there is no other choice, neither craving nor transgressing, there is no sin on him.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halal

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10th June 2003

The Farm Animal Welfare Council (FAWC), which advises the government on how to avoid cruelty to livestock, says the way Kosher and Halal meat is produced causes severe suffering to animals.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/2977086.stm

And many years later it's still "allowed" or is it just ignored for fear of upsetting religious groups?

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Taf

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halal

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10th June 2003



http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/2977086.stm

And many years later it's still "allowed" or is it just ignored for fear of upsetting religious groups?

i think post#2 sums up why no one says anything

[danielf]

If I remember correctly, Halal and Kosher food makes up about 3% of all life stock being slaughtered in Holland. I'm not sure if such a tiny amount warrants a ban that'll seriously inconvenience some people.

[martyh]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

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i think post#2 sums up why no one says anything

Allow me to correct that

There is nothing wrong with Halal or Kosha meat if slaughtered correctly the same as the way non Kosha or Halal meat is slaughtered .There will always be potential for suffering in any type of slaughter so to single out Halal or Kosha is just plain idiotic

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by danielf

If I remember correctly, Halal and Kosher food makes up about 3% of all life stock being slaughtered in Holland. I'm not sure if such a tiny amount warrants a ban that'll seriously inconvenience some people.

i thought this was about animal welfare not the inconvenience to some people .

[danielf]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

i thought this was about animal welfare not the inconvenience to some people .

Yes, the claim is that it's about animal welfare. But the reality is that it's a tiny portion that would be slaughtered without being stunned first. It seems to me that a better balance could be struck between animal welfare and the right to religious expression.

[martyh]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

i thought this was about animal welfare not the inconvenience to some people .

If it's about animal welfare then other types of slaughter need to be examined as well

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Russ

I can envisage all the closet (and not so secret) anti-islamics suddenly proclaiming how much they're in favour of humane treatment of animals.

Do you have to be one or the other to be in favour?

[danielf]

Originally Posted by martyh

If it's about animal welfare then other types of slaughter need to be examined as well

Standard practice for Fish is to let them suffocate...

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by danielf

Standard practice for Fish is to let them suffocate...

the thing is if you fill the hold with water the ship sinks

[martyh]

Originally Posted by danielf

Standard practice for Fish is to let them suffocate...

i meant the accepted western method ,which is to stun with either a 300volt shock or a stun gun then slit the throat .Concerns have been raised that cattle are being skinned and gutted while still alive because of the speed of the whole slaughter process .Also the way animals are transported to slaughter in overcrowded lorries leading to injuries or even death .
The whole concept of Halal and Kosher is to prevent suffering and to ensure that the animals have no disease at the time of slaughter .

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by martyh

i meant the accepted western method ,which is to stun with either a 300volt shock or a stun gun then slit the throat .Concerns have been raised that cattle are being skinned and gutted while still alive because of the speed of the whole slaughter process .Also the way animals are transported to slaughter in overcrowded lorries leading to injuries or even death .
The whole concept of Halal and Kosher is to prevent suffering and to ensure that the animals have no disease at the time of slaughter .

what if the animal isn't muslim or jewish and just wants a scientifically contrived demise .

[j52c]

I have been brought up with animals all my life, when I was living at home my father used to keep pigs, fowls, geese, turkey etc.

Each Christmas we used to send a pig to the local slaughterhouse, the slaughterman would keep half and bring the other half back to our house. My father would then cure the bacon and ham on a stone floor we had layed in the pantry. I never liked the part of the slaughter of the pig, even though they were stunned before the actual slaughter, because they were like pets to me, but, we have to eat. However, anyone that tells me the animal does not suffer when it is killed by just having it's throat cut is living in cloud cuckoo land.