New airport planned for London

[mertle]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...gers-year.html

This does not look logical location at all kent area huge awkward area to get too unles you live in london.

Coupled wildlife destruction and sigh another london airport what about more north less need for people to move south for to get to airport. Basically why dont the upgrade manchester east midlands birmingham to cope with higher demands travel.

Am I being unrealistic how many people bought backage holidays forced to pass international airport to head to already over crowded skies london airport.

Surely it helps environment to upgrade other airports before considering another one. There seems little thought to air management from Air Traffic Control hope the government dont intervine in CAA.

Now comes the huge dangers if this allowed not only gas, oil terminals there old warship sunk of the coast. Basically ticking timebomb if aircraft hit that serious explosion would happen.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Richard_Montgomery

[Halcyon]

I can't see this happening any time soon, if ever.

East Midlands is not worth upgrading as at other times of the year there is simply no demand and people go to Birmingham for flights further afield.
Maybe expanding Birmigham could be a good idea then.

The good thing about Stansted is the link to rail services under the airport. Maybe an additional runway there but unlikely to happen.

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I much prefer Nice airport as you take off and land over water.
With the new London design it looks like planes will fly off over London so that will be a lot of planes and noise coming into Stansted and over the top of London.

Nice airport, France:

[martyh]

Knowing the speed of planning permission for these types of schemes in this country it will be down to our great grand kids to sort out and they will have discovered star trek style transporters by then making all airports redundant

[georgepomone]

They should resurrect the Maplin Project. Be easy to upgrade Shoeburyness rail line direct into the city.

[mertle]

Originally Posted by Halcyon

I can't see this happening any time soon, if ever.

East Midlands is not worth upgrading as at other times of the year there is simply no demand and people go to Birmingham for flights further afield.
Maybe expanding Birmigham could be a good idea then.

The good thing about Stansted is the link to rail services under the airport. Maybe an additional runway there but unlikely to happen.

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I much prefer Nice airport as you take off and land over water.
With the new London design it looks like planes will fly off over London so that will be a lot of planes and noise coming into Stansted and over the top of London.

Nice airport, France:

damn that looks very dangerous overshoot you in the sea there no plans for emergency wonder if airport designers got braincells.

My idea we could split UK into sectors those who goto X sector of locality each these super airports would cover that population of that sector. All these airports would cover all destinations. Those who dont maybe link flights.

Maybe just maybe airspace would free up less problems its nightmare now airspace over london believe ATC already said its at breaking point would not cope even with another runway let alone new airport.

East midland to me though is close to motorway ideal centrally to country to actually improve funding bring it upto major airport. Remember Doncaster was built with government interferance despite objections from CAA and other airports. It went ahead its now caused considerable issues with leeds/bradford, east midlands, humberside and even manchester airports. All these had issues with landing, holding paterns and takeoffs conflicts. Net result many had to have alterations. In case one I know has had landing pattern dangerous to high rise flats. I know reported incident. Plane literally had to do 45 degree bank then flip it to turn steeply to miss our flats by doing tight S move. Its recorded air miss god knows if it had stalled or worse failed to notice us in time. Pilot had reported it too I was told its only since doncaster this happened as now the landing path goes over the town. Pilots been told be extra vigilant slight alteration been done.

Cant imagine what would happen with this crazy idea goes ahead. Where would holding pattern go. Certainly not in channell its the main coridor highway. North like said has stanstead south is southern coridor. Just nowhere for this to go fear like doncaster will will have ill conseved government bludeon red tape again over power CAA to force it. Indeed costs crazy too.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by martyh

Knowing the speed of planning permission for these types of schemes in this country it will be down to our great grand kids to sort out and they will have discovered star trek style transporters by then making all airports redundant

Beam me up Captain.

[Kingofthedead4]

"Is there any reason you want to scatter my atoms all over the universe boy?" McCoy to Data.

[heero_yuy]

Hong Kong built a complete new island and 18m of expressway and fast rail to the city for their new airport:

[Will21st]

I'm in favour of the new airport,in fact I think Heathrow should get a third runway on top,and so should Gatwick....
Airports are a vital part of the economy and London's have been the leading in Europe and the world for a long time.Other European countries don't hesitate to build new runways,and I wouldn't like us to lose the edge over our European competitors.
Finally,I can't stand NIMBYism and this country has a future as well as a past.... it's important to preserve the countryside and our history,but not at the expense of future generations.

[Halcyon]

Talking of airports in bult up areas, remember Kai Tak in Hong Kong. THat got shut down and eventually a nw purpose built airport built but for many years you had big jets comig in over densly populated areas.
See here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKqO6gdJIz8

If you are interested to see what Nice looks like, I shot this video when I landed there:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dgWq3XMe34

East Midlands recently had a railway station built but it is not located at the airport and you then need a taxi to get from East Midlands parkway station to the airport which is not great.

I think Stansted could do with some expansion.

[mertle]

Originally Posted by Halcyon

Talking of airports in bult up areas, remember Kai Tak in Hong Kong. THat got shut down and eventually a nw purpose built airport built but for many years you had big jets comig in over densly populated areas.
See here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKqO6gdJIz8

If you are interested to see what Nice looks like, I shot this video when I landed there:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dgWq3XMe34

East Midlands recently had a railway station built but it is not located at the airport and you then need a taxi to get from East Midlands parkway station to the airport which is not great.

I think Stansted could do with some expansion.

scary stuff really scary.

Problem with stanstead is luton airport so doubt it could be increased. The other side issue is UK airspace around london already at breaking point something which needs consideration. ATC in uk believe is still dated needs major upgrades doubt government would fund such move.

Even if we spent money on it it still could not cope with new airport or even more runways ATC staff have already raised numberous concerns to projects around london.

Just because we can upgrade or build it wont necassary mean more aircraft allowed. Another is time restrictions although the proposed airport would be 24 hours that would free airspace to degree with night flights other airports they come from might be under restrictions.

Its hard ball situation you cant just add more ATC staff either its quite challenge to train them fear forced increase will make more accidents near misses. Extra stress to ATC staff which they can do without.

The solution easy but its not seemingly part of government or business plan upgrade other airports away from london. Birmingham is good solution too upgrade it expand its operations. Believe it has the free land to do so do think east midlands could be hemmed in with M1, donnington racetrack which overlooked.

Bristol and Hern possible to upgrade for people who live around there if we upgrade liverpool manchester birmingham newcastle we then have strategic network of good transportation air travel less need for hogging london airspace issue.

Use regionals for shuttle services to these airports humberside east midlands exeter etc.

[Halcyon]

EMA is my local airport and there were rumours of a runway extension on both sides.
Ideally it could do with a second runway as planes have to taxi all the way down from the top to get to start of runway.

Birmingham has both the transport links, is near the big concert and events halls, and offers train connections to elswhere in the UK.
It would be good to have more long haul routes to the little airports to shift some of the traffic from London, maybe create a connections hub at Birmingham or elswhere.

[LSainsbury]

Originally Posted by mertle

damn that looks very dangerous overshoot you in the sea there no plans for emergency wonder if airport designers got braincells.

I've flown into / out of Nice about 4 - 5 times now. No issues with the take-off / landings so I guess it's safe and the designers had some braincells...

I think the runway is longer than it needs to be for the type of planes landing there...

If one did overshoot, then I'd rather do it there into the water rather than plough into a motorway or hillside.

US Airways Flight 1549 is a good example -of a controled water landing...

[mertle]

Originally Posted by Halcyon

EMA is my local airport and there were rumours of a runway extension on both sides.
Ideally it could do with a second runway as planes have to taxi all the way down from the top to get to start of runway.

Birmingham has both the transport links, is near the big concert and events halls, and offers train connections to elswhere in the UK.
It would be good to have more long haul routes to the little airports to shift some of the traffic from London, maybe create a connections hub at Birmingham or elswhere.

yep the way envisage how our airtravel should see it.

Incidently someone on another forum very keen eyed noticed flaw with design no taxi for outer runways one has the terminal at the end of runway. Think designer had off day

[Halcyon]

Ah yeah, that is true. If a plane overshoots then they have the terminal building straight in front of them.

The runways are also way too close together.