New airport planned for London - Page 3

gazzae · 10-11-2011, 11:37

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Originally Posted by Alan Fry

a new high speed rail line, and thats just for starters...

dubai is building a new airport that can more than cope with these numbers

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Makt...tional_Airport

Just one high speed line? Where would the hubs be?

Also your example - 100,000 car parking spaces. Doesn't really tally with your proposal of public transport only.

Alan Fry · 10-11-2011, 12:03

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Originally Posted by gazzae

Just one high speed line? Where would the hubs be?

Also your example - 100,000 car parking spaces. Doesn't really tally with your proposal of public transport only.

what i am actully planning is serveral high speed lines

various points in the london and south east of england

Tim Deegan · 10-11-2011, 21:39

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Originally Posted by Alan Fry

what i mean is that this new airport should have 8 runnways and capacity for 300 million a year to replace london heathrow, gatwick, stansted and luton.

I also think that public transport should be used to get there, not by car

You don't know much about transport (air or land) do you?

Do you have any idea the congestion that an airport like that would cause, both on the roads, and in the air?

Not very well thought out was it?

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Originally Posted by Alan Fry

a new high speed rail line, and thats just for starters...

dubai is building a new airport that can more than cope with these numbers

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Makt...tional_Airport

How many people do you think want to travel by taxi to the station, then possibly change trains twice, even before they get to the airport? It's not exactly a good start to any journey. Then there is the logistical problem of moving so many people. And not to mention the environmental implications in making so many people travel so far just to reach the airport.

The beauty of a number of airports surrounding London is that access is usually quite easy from most of the south of England to at least one airport. And you don't have to go through or around London to reach one.

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Originally Posted by Alan Fry

what i am actully planning is serveral high speed lines

various points in the london and south east of england

Sorry I didn't know you were the architect.

Well anyone who came up with your plans wouldn't be for long, because they are completely impractical, and verge on fantasy.

Halcyon · 10-11-2011, 21:59

We need to move some of the cargo out to their own dedicated airports. East Midlands is already booming with cargo business and is always increasing.

That will free up space at the other airports.

I guess in an ideal money no object world we could also use more A380's to shift more people in one go and also reduce amount of stands needed for several planes at the airport.

**Stuart** · 10-11-2011, 23:01

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Originally Posted by Tim Deegan

The beauty of a number of airports surrounding London is that access is usually quite easy from most of the south of England to at least one airport.

And the fact that one single airport could easily be taken out by the weather. As an example, look at what happened last winter.

Had we had just Heathrow, the capital of England would have had no air travel for a week during the snow.

Halcyon · 10-11-2011, 23:05

Underground heating on the runways neeeds implementing if not already done.

**Stuart** · 10-11-2011, 23:08

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Originally Posted by Halcyon

Underground heating on the runways neeeds implementing if not already done.

I used one example of how weather can stop an airport. There are others, such as fog..

Tim Deegan · 10-11-2011, 23:33

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Originally Posted by Stuart

And the fact that one single airport could easily be taken out by the weather. As an example, look at what happened last winter.

Had we had just Heathrow, the capital of England would have had no air travel for a week during the snow.

Not just the weather, but a terrorist attack, computer crash, industrial action, a crash, a train derailment, a serious accident on the approach motorway, etc...

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Originally Posted by Stuart

I used one example of how weather can stop an airport. There are others, such as fog..

Very true. In fact just a few weeks ago there were no flights into Palma airport for hours one morning. And this can have a knock on effect all over the world if it is an international airport.

Alan Fry · 11-11-2011, 10:03

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Originally Posted by Tim Deegan

You don't know much about transport (air or land) do you?

Do you have any idea the congestion that an airport like that would cause, both on the roads, and in the air?

Not very well thought out was it?

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How many people do you think want to travel by taxi to the station, then possibly change trains twice, even before they get to the airport? It's not exactly a good start to any journey. Then there is the logistical problem of moving so many people. And not to mention the environmental implications in making so many people travel so far just to reach the airport.

The beauty of a number of airports surrounding London is that access is usually quite easy from most of the south of England to at least one airport. And you don't have to go through or around London to reach one.

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Sorry I didn't know you were the architect.

Well anyone who came up with your plans wouldn't be for long, because they are completely impractical, and verge on fantasy.

what i am say it that there will be brand new transport links to this airport, and anyway 4 airports for london is a joke, hong kong and bejing have one and they are working well

and i do know a bit about transport

they are doing a smiler plan in dubai

and none of those 4 airports are fit for prupose in ANY WAY!!! AND THEY NEVER WILL BE!!! THEY ARE IN THE WRONG LOCATION FOR STARTERS

Tim Deegan · 11-11-2011, 11:00

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Originally Posted by Alan Fry

what i am say it that there will be brand new transport links to this airport, and anyway 4 airports for london is a joke, hong kong and bejing have one and they are working well

To start with, Hong Kong only has one airport because that's all they have room for. In fact they had to cut the top off a mountain and push it into the sea, in order to make the island bigger, to make room.

There is a huge geogrphical difference between London and the other countries that you mentioned. London creates a huge grid lock each time traffic flow is increased. There are also very highly populated areas in the home counties, with people who use the airports.

The London airports don't just serve London, so it can be extremely difficult to airports on the other side of London from where you live. For example, I live about 40 miles north of London. So it is very easy for me to get to Luton, and it takes only an extra 20 mins to get to Stanstead. For me to get to the planned airport, I would need a taxi to the station, then a train into london, then a tube, then a train to the airport. And all this would be with kids and luggage.

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Originally Posted by Alan Fry

and none of those 4 airports are fit for prupose in ANY WAY!!! AND THEY NEVER WILL BE!!! THEY ARE IN THE WRONG LOCATION FOR STARTERS

They are unfit for purpose in your opinion. Granted, they will need expanding, but they are all fit for purpose, and they serve the parts of the country they cover very well.

Your pland may work in theory, in a different country, with a different population spread. But to expect them to work in this country is pure fantasy.

Alan Fry · 11-11-2011, 11:07

what i am saying is that we should have only 1 airport and have a airport that is like the one in singapore or hong kong

only much bigger

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Originally Posted by Tim Deegan

To start with, Hong Kong only has one airport because that's all they have room for. In fact they had to cut the top off a mountain and push it into the sea, in order to make the island bigger, to make room.

There is a huge geogrphical difference between London and the other countries that you mentioned. London creates a huge grid lock each time traffic flow is increased. There are also very highly populated areas in the home counties, with people who use the airports.

The London airports don't just serve London, so it can be extremely difficult to airports on the other side of London from where you live. For example, I live about 40 miles north of London. So it is very easy for me to get to Luton, and it takes only an extra 20 mins to get to Stanstead. For me to get to the planned airport, I would need a taxi to the station, then a train into london, then a tube, then a train to the airport. And all this would be with kids and luggage.

They are unfit for purpose in your opinion. Granted, they will need expanding, but they are all fit for purpose, and they serve the parts of the country they cover very well.

Your pland may work in theory, in a different country, with a different population spread. But to expect them to work in this country is pure fantasy.

those 4 airports cannot be expanded thanks to the people living nearby, with the transport links, there will be 5 to 10 high speed lines from points in london and the south east to the airport, they will start from park and ride stations and if there is a need, the nearby roads will be upgraded

it is all going to cost hundreds of billions and will be very hard to do, but it can (and needs to be) done!

Tim Deegan · 11-11-2011, 11:32

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Originally Posted by Alan Fry

what i am saying is that we should have only 1 airport and have a airport that is like the one in singapore or hong kong

only much bigger

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those 4 airports cannot be expanded thanks to the people living nearby, with the transport links, there will be 5 to 10 high speed lines from points in london and the south east to the airport, they will start from park and ride stations and if there is a need, the nearby roads will be upgraded

it is all going to cost hundreds of billions and will be very hard to do, but it can (and needs to be) done!

I'm going to put you on ignore, just as many other people have in other threads.

This is not because I don't agree with you. It's because it is obvious that whatever anyone says you will just argue for the sake of it. You come out with things that anyone with common sense wouldn't come out with. So I can only assume that you get a kick out of arguing.

Alan Fry · 15-11-2011, 09:28

After Berlin became renunited, it had 3 airports, all serving a population of 4 million

They desided to reduce that to 1 (Berlin-Schönefeld Airport) by upgrading Berlin-Schönefeld Airport and closing the other 2

If Berlin can cut the number of airports so can we!

**Chris** · 15-11-2011, 09:32

I think such comparisons completely misunderstand the nature of London's airports. The London system (heathrow, plus the others) is by far the biggest, busiest city airport system in the world. It is a major international hub on a scale that dwarfs anything going on in Berlin or anywhere else.

If London's airports simply served London, or even just the UK, them perhaps you could reduce the number of them. But they don't. And you can't.

Alan Fry · 15-11-2011, 10:15

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Originally Posted by Chris

I think such comparisons completely misunderstand the nature of London's airports. The London system (heathrow, plus the others) is by far the biggest, busiest city airport system in the world. It is a major international hub on a scale that dwarfs anything going on in Berlin or anywhere else.

If London's airports simply served London, or even just the UK, them perhaps you could reduce the number of them. But they don't. And you can't.

what are do londons airports serve then?