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Old 21-03-2012, 12:17   #286
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Re: Mind The Pay Gap? Tube Drivers 'To Get £55k'

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Actually, the DLR trains are staffed. The have an operator who usually just starts the train and checks tickets, but they have the option of driving if something goes wrong. He or she also has to evacuate the train in the event of an emergency. I believe this is a requirement because if they do have to evacuate, the passengers may be walking along electrified tracks.

It's likely that if the tube goes driverless, they'll still have an operator for exactly this reason.
I've only used them twice, and both times in the evening. There was no member of staff that I could see either time.

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True but the big difference is that operator won't be on extortionate wages and is much easier to replace quickly should the threat of strikes loom
That's a very good point.
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Old 21-03-2012, 21:41   #287
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I've only used them twice, and both times in the evening. There was no member of staff that I could see either time.
They are staffed. I use the DLR everyday.
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Old 22-03-2012, 06:54   #288
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Achieved what, in comparison to Boris? Here's a piece to start you off; it's highly partisan but that's ok, you can balance it by linking to a partisan source of your own.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/an...y-truth-audit/

Driverless trains, by the way, need safety attendants, not standby drivers. They are easier to train and easier to replace in the event of strike action.
Since that link is from a patisan newspaper, It does not count

Yes Ken Livingstone is friends with communists and islamists, yes he is rather flawed, but if you look at 2000-2008 he had done a lot like:

Invest into Tube and buses, which in turn have lead to more people use it

He helped bring the Olympics to East London

He has been defending London for a long time

He has helped cut crime and increase the number of police officers

Boris on the other hand has achived this:

A messed up transport and crime policy

More questions on the people that work for him

Doing poor sponsership deals

etc...

Neather Boris or Ken are perfect, but the idiot that is Boris is worse then Ken

If the Safety attendants go on stike it is not easy to replace them, they would need training to deal; with the job and nothing will train, only that the staff will be on another part of the train

Remember, some like have ATC, no diffrence when a Strike happened, it is much better to co-operate (which Ken largely did) than have a fight with the unions (which Boris had done)

Rathet than compplain about tube drivers, do what they do

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If they have to work more hours, then they should get overtime....end of story.



As a higher management Londoner, I would have thought that you would have been on the DLR Alan. Go and have a ride on one and you will see that there are no staff at all. After all you are a train enthusiast, as you were a member of a train forum until you got banned recently.



Alan it is you who defends the communist system, that has failed in most countries worldwide.



Now you are talking complete rubbish yet again. The tube drivers can hold their employers to ransom for the olympics. But how many of them will love their union so much when they lose their jobs due to automated trains??
If they work overtime, then they should be paid a decent rate


Also now that you have told about the fact about the DLR, crimminals all over London will be on the DLR doing what they do best

Also if TFL desides to sake all their drivers, then there will be the mother ofall strikes, because now their jobs are under threat

Also Rail UK Forums kicked me out on the basis on slurs and lies and my attemps to deal with that, also they violated freedom of seech as well

Speaking of lies, you now accuse me of being a communist, I have never stated that I liked communism and I am not keen on at

What I am is a radical reformer who wants a better form a capitalism and democracy

Lastly does you know this guy, you remind me of him



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True but the big difference is that operator won't be on extortionate wages and is much easier to replace quickly should the threat of strikes loom
They might be if they are a member of RMT/ASLEF and you cannot operate the trains without them, if they did sack anyone over a stike/union related issue, TFL will have a big legal challage on their hands, otherwise the LU drive would have been saked a long time ago
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Since that link is from a patisan newspaper, It does not count.
That's pathetic. Why don't you just stick your fingers in your ears and go la la la while you're at it.

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What you are is an armchair-dwelling waffle-pot with no coherent idea about how business or politics works in the UK.

As for 'radical reformer' .... ROFL. All you do is yell about how we need radical reform. Well, where's your manifesto?
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That's pathetic. Why don't you just stick your fingers in your ears and go la la la while you're at it.



What you are is an armchair-dwelling waffle-pot with no coherent idea about how business or politics works in the UK.

As for 'radical reformer' .... ROFL. All you do is yell about how we need radical reform. Well, where's your manifesto?
I accept you points, but I do not agree with them

I have made some points about what I think should be done
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Since that link is from a patisan newspaper, It does not count

Yes Ken Livingstone is friends with communists and islamists, yes he is rather flawed, but if you look at 2000-2008 he had done a lot like:

Invest into Tube and buses, which in turn have lead to more people use it

He helped bring the Olympics to East London

He has been defending London for a long time

He has helped cut crime and increase the number of police officers

Boris on the other hand has achived this:

A messed up transport and crime policy

More questions on the people that work for him

Doing poor sponsership deals

etc...

Neather Boris or Ken are perfect, but the idiot that is Boris is worse then Ken

If the Safety attendants go on stike it is not easy to replace them, they would need training to deal; with the job and nothing will train, only that the staff will be on another part of the train

Remember, some like have ATC, no diffrence when a Strike happened, it is much better to co-operate (which Ken largely did) than have a fight with the unions (which Boris had done)

Rathet than compplain about tube drivers, do what they do

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If they work overtime, then they should be paid a decent rate


Also now that you have told about the fact about the DLR, crimminals all over London will be on the DLR doing what they do best

Also if TFL desides to sake all their drivers, then there will be the mother ofall strikes, because now their jobs are under threat

Also Rail UK Forums kicked me out on the basis on slurs and lies and my attemps to deal with that, also they violated freedom of seech as well

Speaking of lies, you now accuse me of being a communist, I have never stated that I liked communism and I am not keen on at

What I am is a radical reformer who wants a better form a capitalism and democracy

Lastly does you know this guy, you remind me of him



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They might be if they are a member of RMT/ASLEF and you cannot operate the trains without them, if they did sack anyone over a stike/union related issue, TFL will have a big legal challage on their hands, otherwise the LU drive would have been saked a long time ago
Have you been drinking Alan???

Most of your post makes no sense at all. And the little bit that you can understand is complete waffle!!

The Rail forum kicked you out because you did exactly what you do here. And I should think that they also found out about your Twitter and Facebook sites.
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What you are is an armchair-dwelling waffle-pot with no coherent idea about how business or politics works in the UK.

As for 'radical reformer' .... ROFL. All you do is yell about how we need radical reform. Well, where's your manifesto?

I know what he is but i would be banned if i posted what i want to post
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I accept you points, but I do not agree with them

I have made some points about what I think should be done
What, you mean like

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What, you mean like



or



or



You're either a deeply unpleasant (but harmless) fantasist, or an idiot with his very own file at Thames House. I expect it's the former but I hope it's the latter. The thought of Harry Pearce sending someone round to have a chat with you is quite amusing.
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I hope he has not asked for you site to be included. My feelings are you have a time bomb on this forum who could bite you well and truly on the bottom
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I hope he has not asked for you site to be included. My feelings are you have a time bomb on this forum who could bite you well and truly on the bottom
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And I should think that they also found out about your Twitter and Facebook sites.
You mean not a facebook site any more
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