Riots

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Derek

The more I watch this the more my blood pressure rises.

The BBC are allowing members of the 'community' to go on about the murder on Thursday without challenging it. I'm sorry what murder? There was an attempted murder of a Police officer but no murder.
You get complete ring pieces like Jodi McIntyre taking a break from deciding if he needs a wheelchair or not putting status updates on twitter saying the violence was all the fault of the Police and urging people to rise up against Police brutality.

In any other country in the world someone shooting at the Police and getting killed would be written off in a matter of days. Here it gets passed to the IPCC to sit on it for months before coming out with a report.

And yet not one senior Politician comes out to back the Police action, maybe they are ashamed that they are relying on the Police while planning to cut wages and increase pension contributions.

Thats because most politicians lack any moral backbone and are more interested in their holidays.

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by denphone

Now Sirius lets not stereotype every student as most are decent law abiding citizens.

Just saying, It seems the same every time there is a riot the rioters appear from some other group and start trouble and its never the people who started the protest . who tells them to be there at a certain time and place ???

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Originally Posted by denphone

Thats because most politicians lack any moral backbone and are more interested in their holidays.

Would that be all of them or only those you have an issue with. How are politicians to know that this would happen in advance of there holiday

[martyh]

Originally Posted by Derek

The more I watch this the more my blood pressure rises.

The BBC are allowing members of the 'community' to go on about the murder on Thursday without challenging it. I'm sorry what murder? There was an attempted murder of a Police officer but no murder.
You get complete ring pieces like Jodi McIntyre taking a break from deciding if he needs a wheelchair or not putting status updates on twitter saying the violence was all the fault of the Police and urging people to rise up against Police brutality.

In any other country in the world someone shooting at the Police and getting killed would be written off in a matter of days. Here it gets passed to the IPCC to sit on it for months before coming out with a report.

And yet not one senior Politician comes out to back the Police action, maybe they are ashamed that they are relying on the Police while planning to cut wages and increase pension contributions.

The media are going to be the biggest problem for the police they will allow the public to form their own conclusions and then broadcast them fueling more ill feeling and violence

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Sirius

Just saying, It seems the same every time there is a riot the rioters appear from some other group and start trouble and its never the people who started the protest . who tells them to be there at a certain time and place ???

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Would that be all of them or only those you have an issue with.

No showing non political bias my comments apply to all parties.

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Derek

The BBC are allowing members of the 'community' to go on about the murder on Thursday without challenging it. I'm sorry what murder? There was an attempted murder of a Police officer but no murder.

They have to get there viewing figures up some how.

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Originally Posted by denphone

No showing non political bias my comments apply to all parties.

Excellent you would make a good politician with an answer like that

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by martyh

The media are going to be the biggest problem for the police they will allow the public to form their own conclusions and then broadcast them fueling more ill feeling and violence

Very true.

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by martyh

The media are going to be the biggest problem for the police they will allow the public to form their own conclusions and then broadcast them fueling more ill feeling and violence

I am so glad a certain poster on this forum does not run the news broadcasters

[Jimmy-J]

Originally Posted by Sirius

Just saying, It seems the same every time there is a riot the rioters appear from some other group and start trouble and its never the people who started the protest . who tells them to be there at a certain time and place ???

I believe some of the news was spread via twitter.

[denphone]

And this is the latest update on it.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-14435251

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...mmy-warns.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-shooting.html

[Osem]

These events have little to do with the shooting, racist oppression, the legacy of slavery, government cuts or any of the other well worn excuses. They have everything to do with a large mob of lowlife scum taking advantage of a situation for their own nefarious aims. In so doing they showed themselves to have no interest in the lives/wellbeing of the 'community', Mr Duggan, the protest or even (in the case of those who live in the area) their own environment. They looted, set fire to shops/homes and attacked entirely innocent people like the driver of that bus and the fire crews being sent to the scene. I also heard first hand reports of a local shopping area overrun by a mob who were openly ransacking shops and threatening anyone taking pictures or using their phones. The police truly are damned if the do and damned if they don't. They act too soon and they're blamed, they act too late and they're blamed. They respond too harshly and they're wrong and they act too softly and they're wrong. This time the police are being blamed for not intervening swiftly enough with the result that matters got out of hand but how much of that decision was due to previous criticism when they have intervened promptly/forcefully to snuff out trouble and were then accused of overreacting to things that didn't happen. I dare say if people have died in the resulting fires the police will be blamed for that too! The only people to blame were the thugs and the mob!

I think we're on a seriously rocky road when it's common knowledge that our police are so tactically and politically hamstrung that you can freely mask yourself up, have yoursleves a nice little riot and walk away with a trolley load of looted goods as a bonus. This scum showed they have no respect for law and order, no fear of the police or authority in general and not one iota of care for their own 'communities'. Unless the excuses stop and the police's tactics change we can expect more of this sort of thing.

[Zee]

wow this is messed up. couldnt believe it when i read it, this is some messed up town anyway

[martyh]

Originally Posted by Osem

These events have little to do with the shooting and nothing to do with racist oppression, the legacy of slavery, government cuts or any of the other well worn excuses. They have everything to do with a large mob of lowlife scum taking advantage of a situation for their own nefarious aims. In so doing they showed themselves to have no interest in the live/wellbeing of the 'community', the protest or even (in the case of those who live in the area) their own environment. They looted, set fire to shops/homes and attacked entirely innocent people like the driver of that bus. I also heard first hand reports of a local shopping area overrun by a mob who were openly ransacking shops and threatening anyone taking pictures or using their phones. The police truly are damned if the do and damned if they don't. They act too soon and they're blamed, they act too late and they're blamed. They respond too harshly and they're wrong and they act too softly and they're wrong. This time the police are being blamed for not intervening swiftly enough with the result that matters got out of hand but how much of that decision was due to previous criticism when they have intervened promptly/forcefully to snuff out trouble and were then accused of overreacting to things that didn't happen.

I think we're on a seriously rocky road when it's common knowledge that our police are so tactically and politically hamstrung that you can freely mask yourself up, have yoursleves a nice little riot and walk away with a trolley load of looted goods. This scum showed they have no respect for law and order and no fear of the police or authority in general. Unless the excuses stop and the police's tactics change we can expect more of this sort of thing.

well said

As a law abiding citizen and tax payer i demand that tonight when it all kicks off again we have some batton rounds and water cannons employed by the police and local TA regiment

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by martyh

As a law abiding citizen and tax payer i demand that tonight when it all kicks off again we have some batton rounds and water cannons employed by the police and local TA regiment

Yeh, it's time to kick ass and chew bubblegum.

and to get the authority back that these kind of people think they can destroy.

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Osem

These events have little to do with the shooting, racist oppression, the legacy of slavery, government cuts or any of the other well worn excuses. They have everything to do with a large mob of lowlife scum taking advantage of a situation for their own nefarious aims. In so doing they showed themselves to have no interest in the lives/wellbeing of the 'community', Mr Duggan, the protest or even (in the case of those who live in the area) their own environment. They looted, set fire to shops/homes and attacked entirely innocent people like the driver of that bus and the fire crews being sent to the scene. I also heard first hand reports of a local shopping area overrun by a mob who were openly ransacking shops and threatening anyone taking pictures or using their phones. The police truly are damned if the do and damned if they don't. They act too soon and they're blamed, they act too late and they're blamed. They respond too harshly and they're wrong and they act too softly and they're wrong. This time the police are being blamed for not intervening swiftly enough with the result that matters got out of hand but how much of that decision was due to previous criticism when they have intervened promptly/forcefully to snuff out trouble and were then accused of overreacting to things that didn't happen. I dare say if people have died in the resulting fires the police will be blamed for that too! The only people to blame were the thugs and the mob!

I think we're on a seriously rocky road when it's common knowledge that our police are so tactically and politically hamstrung that you can freely mask yourself up, have yourselves a nice little riot and walk away with a trolley load of looted goods as a bonus. This scum showed they have no respect for law and order, no fear of the police or authority in general and not one iota of care for their own 'communities'. Unless the excuses stop and the police's tactics change we can expect more of this sort of thing.

Excellent post

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Originally Posted by martyh

well said

As a law abiding citizen and tax payer i demand that tonight when it all kicks off again we have some batton rounds and water cannons employed by the police and local TA regiment

Having fired both 25 grain and 45 grain baton rounds i can vouch for there effectiveness

[Arthurgray50@blu]

The behaviour of the yobs in Tottenham yesterday was despicable, the damage to shops, flats and the carnage to vehicles had nothing whatsoever to do with the 'so called murder' we don't know what happened to the guy.

I cannot see a policeman marksman deliberately firing on a suspect without reason, I have been going to Tottenham for the past 30 years, mainly for the football, they are good decent people and don't need this.

It was sheer despicable actions by scum who should spend the rest of there life behind bars, but they won't in case it ruins that human rights.

I went to Spurs last night, and if this trouble had started when Spurs were coming out it would have meant certain fatalities, as many of the fans walk down this to road going back to Seven Sisters tube.

And after last night the 'famous icon' on the High Road, the tower which is on the junction is no longer there, that was total destroyed.