[Update] The News Corp scandal - Page 95

**Maggy J** · 18-02-2012, 18:10

Historically the NOTW was not a sister Sunday paper for the Sun.If it had been it would have been called The Sunday Sun or the Sun on Sunday.

It was called the name it had carried for 168 years.The News of the World.

**Chris** · 18-02-2012, 18:14

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Originally Posted by Tim Deegan

I know it had different staff, but I think you are missing my point. The Sun is a Monday to Saturday gutter press tabloid. The News of the World was News International's Sunday edition gutter press tabloid. All the Sunday edition of the Sun will be doing is filling that void, with a similar stayle paper.

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I wish I could have put it as simple as that

Don't be beguiled by simplicity. The editorial priorities of the News of the World were quite different to those of the Sun and those differences are absolutely crucial to the kind of impact the Sun on Sunday is likely to make in its target market.

On that point, "Gutter press" is simply a perjorative term for the market segment it occupied. It does not follow that two "gutter press" products made by the same company are essentially the same product.

**Maggy J** · 18-02-2012, 18:30

Anyway it it doesn't matter..What matters is that Murdoch seems to think he has gotten away with something..

denphone · 18-02-2012, 18:32

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Originally Posted by Maggy J

Anyway it it doesn't matter..What matters is that Murdoch seems to think he has gotten away with something..

And we have to hope that the authorities make sure that he does not get away with it.

Tim Deegan · 18-02-2012, 19:46

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Originally Posted by Chris

Don't be beguiled by simplicity. The editorial priorities of the News of the World were quite different to those of the Sun and those differences are absolutely crucial to the kind of impact the Sun on Sunday is likely to make in its target market.

On that point, "Gutter press" is simply a perjorative term for the market segment it occupied. It does not follow that two "gutter press" products made by the same company are essentially the same product.

That's all a matter of opinion!

**Chris** · 18-02-2012, 20:42

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Originally Posted by Tim Deegan

That's all a matter of opinion!

The opinion of a mattress-selling fireman versus the opinion of a trained and time served old hack ...

Tim Deegan · 18-02-2012, 21:20

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Originally Posted by Chris

The opinion of a mattress-selling fireman versus the opinion of a trained and time served old hack ...

With repect, you know nothing at all about my experience or skills.

In mine, and many other peoples opinions, it's quite obvious that the Sun will just replace the news of the world.

papa smurf · 18-02-2012, 21:34

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Originally Posted by Chris

The opinion of a mattress-selling fireman versus the opinion of a trained and time served old hack ...

fleet street -local high street or free press ?

**Chris** · 18-02-2012, 23:22

Local high street. People paid to read my stuff. The mugs.

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Originally Posted by Tim Deegan

In mine, and many other peoples opinions, it's quite obvious that the Sun will just replace the news of the world.

... Which, with the greatest of respect, betrays a basic ignorance of how the industry works. Or how Murdoch works. The two are not necessarily the same.

Tim Deegan · 19-02-2012, 01:45

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Originally Posted by Chris

Local high street. People paid to read my stuff. The mugs.

Not quite the same experience as my step father then, who's experience includes:
Reporter
Political editor for a newspaper
Editor of two local papers
Editor of a national magazine
Press officer to the leader of a major political party
Press officer for the BBC

**Maggy J** · 19-02-2012, 11:18

Please stick to the topic which is the scandal at News Corp and throughout the Press and Media Industry, not the origins of individual papers or members skills.

**Chris** · 19-02-2012, 12:55

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Originally Posted by Tim Deegan

Not quite the same experience as my step father then, who's experience includes:
Reporter
Political editor for a newspaper
Editor of two local papers
Editor of a national magazine
Press officer to the leader of a major political party
Press officer for the BBC

Not quite the same at all - that list being someone else's experience rather than yours. However, I guarantee you that because of my personal experience I have worked with, and know, and have been trained by, people who would tick all those boxes plus several more.

It's a pity you don't pay more attention to your step father's experience though. If you're still clinging to the idea that the News of the World was essentially just the Sun on a Sunday, you really weren't paying attention at all.

**Damien** · 19-02-2012, 20:13

Always found it odd that the Sundays have a different staff. How do they fund it all for a once a week paper? Do only a small minority stay exclusive to the Sunday title in order to get the big stories and the rest pitch in with the other content?

**Chris** · 19-02-2012, 20:28

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Originally Posted by Damien

Always found it odd that the Sundays have a different staff. How do they fund it all for a once a week paper? Do only a small minority stay exclusive to the Sunday title in order to get the big stories and the rest pitch in with the other content?

They have a different staff because they are a different business with a different product.

There tends to be a greater emphasis on investigation and feature pieces in a Sunday paper. The NOTW, to take a topical example, was proud of its emphasis on crime fighting.

People misunderstand Sunday papers because they assume, from the title, that they are basically an extension of the daily paper. They are more easily understood when viewed for what they are - a weekly publication, with staffing levels and production schedules to match (not unlike the regional weekly title I used to write for, although we came out on a Friday rather than a Sunday).

And don't for a minute think that staff at the Sun on Sunday will stand at the water cooler telling the hacks at the daily paper what exclusives they'll be running that week. Competition between the two will be intense.

**Damien** · 19-02-2012, 20:54

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Originally Posted by Chris

They have a different staff because they are a different business with a different product.

There tends to be a greater emphasis on investigation and feature pieces in a Sunday paper. The NOTW, to take a topical example, was proud of its emphasis on crime fighting.

People misunderstand Sunday papers because they assume, from the title, that they are basically an extension of the daily paper. They are more easily understood when viewed for what they are - a weekly publication, with staffing levels and production schedules to match (not unlike the regional weekly title I used to write for, although we came out on a Friday rather than a Sunday).

And don't for a minute think that staff at the Sun on Sunday will stand at the water cooler telling the hacks at the daily paper what exclusives they'll be running that week. Competition between the two will be intense.

I understand they are different. I just never understood why such an arrangement existed in the first place. I am guessing that historically the Sunday papers were around longer and were bigger. As time goes on I would have thought it's not fiscally sensible to continue to staff two separate papers, especially when the latter is sold just once a week.