[Update] The News Corp scandal

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by devilincarnate

Whatvare the 2 question's specifically as it maybe me but when I have read your posts I could not work out any questions?

Sorry I may need to read better?

The clue is in the two ?.

[Damien]

Originally Posted by nomadking

Two questions and neither of them answered. On what basis should Hunt have changed his view? In order to say no, he would have had to come up with reasons for that. Apart from people's views on Murdoch, what are they?

Because we're talking about the conflict of interest that Hunt had and his appointment to judge the bid when it was known he was already a firm supporter of it. It's not a question of it he reached the right decision, it's a question of the appearance that the government were going to let his deal be made regardless of the evidence against.

Indeed, we know he spent little time meeting those who were opposed to the bid. Their reasons, since you asked, was that the News International empire was already too big with their number of newspapers. The phone hacking case was also brought up as evidence they were not fit owners. However Hunt appeared not to want to listen to these arguments as the decision had been made before he was even appointed.

[devilincarnate]

Originally Posted by nomadking

The clue is in the two ?.

Nope you will need to clarify as I have got 1 year old pulling his self up on me as he is not happy with the heat? So my mind is mashed.

[nomadking]

What had owning 3 newspapers with no overlap got the slightest thing to do with owning a broadcaster, that he already owns a large chunk of. Any decision was BEFORE Leveson, so how could the decision be influenced either way by something hadn't fully come to light. Even then, how is it that somebody(Blair & Brown) can successfully claim ignorance of what is going on, in their name and in their office, but somebody else(ie not a Labour MP) gets blamed for something occurring on the other side of an ocean. Murdoch gets the 'blame' anyway with anything connected to BSkyB, so what would change?

[Damien]

Originally Posted by nomadking

What had owning 3 newspapers with no overlap got the slightest thing to do with owning a broadcaster, that he already owns a large chunk of. Any decision was BEFORE Leveson, so how could the decision be influenced either way by something hadn't fully come to light. Even then, how is it that somebody(Blair & Brown) can successfully claim ignorance of what is going on, in their name and in their office, but somebody else(ie not a Labour MP) gets blamed for something occurring on the other side of an ocean. Murdoch gets the 'blame' anyway with anything connected to BSkyB, so what would change?

You would be livid if this was Labour then?

They are not absolved but this incident took place under the current government so they are in the firing line.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Damien

You would be livid if this was Labour then?

They are not absolved but this incident took place under the current government so they are in the firing line.

Not on this, but the Labour examples were MUCH more serious and often involved money changing hands in order for the government to have a particular policy or approach.

[Maggy J]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-18204074

Peston's summary on Hunt's decision.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18207480

Detectives have arrested another News International journalist in the probe into payments to public officials.

The BBC understands that the woman is a current member of staff at News International, the parent company of the Sun, the Times, the Sunday Times and, before it was closed, the News of the World.

[devilincarnate]

Originally Posted by Maggy J

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-18204074

Peston's summary on Hunt's decision.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18207480

Where does the Rabbit hole stop?

[mertle]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...for-BSkyB.html

Pretty bad this too Hunt was warned off by lawyers to intervene with Vince Cable scrutiny.

Why did he need to convey his thoughts clearly the hole dug much bigger.

the longer cameron defends him its worse for him too. The nation will see cameron as puppet for news corp the longer he sticks by hunt. Thats not if the consensus is already that now considering he sacked anti news corp for pro news corp man.

I have feeling that within 14 day hunt will be forced to resign to protect cameron.

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some interesting website done whois on news corp businesses. They claiming links with to hunts business hotcourses to a company from News corp.

including they found advert for job which links to newscorp and hunt business for the position.

On 9th June 2011, this Job ad appeared on The Times website – a Newscorp publication. The employer named in the ad was Milkround. There is nothing suspicious in that: but what’s damning about this advertisement is that while the employer is Milkround.com, the specific position is ‘Web Experience Executive , Hotcourses Ltd’.

There maybe errors or misunderstanding or quite inocolous need further clarification/investigated neverless. The web raises some questions for sure.

http://hat4uk.wordpress.com/2012/05/...subscribe-blog

Under websites related to Newscorp at the link above is an entry for one company called Schoolsnet.com. Sites tracing its ownership use the phrase ‘Registrant obfuscated – see raw whois data’. The website itself says in tiny letters under the brand name ‘Powered by Hotcourses’. And surprise, surprise…there’s an ad for Hotcourses on there.
In fact, schoolsnet.com appears to be a trading name…and every effort has been employed to hide who is behind it. But the trail leads very clearly back to Culture Secretary Jeremy Hunt.

[Hugh]

OMG - a job ad appeared in the Times in mid 2011 for a company he had stood down from as a Director 18 months before.

This proves he is corrupt!!!!!

btw, 'obfuscated' is implying unclear or hidden - go to the Schoolsnet.com website and look at the bottom of the page, where it shows ( and in letters the same size as the rest, not 'tiny')

© 2011 Hotcourses Ltd All rights reserved

new definition of 'hidden' I hadn't come across before....

And if you go on the Hotcourses website, you find this

In September 2003 Hotcourses successfully completed its acquisition of Schoolsnet.com the UK's largest online directory of primary and secondary schools from both the state and independent sectors. The site, now an integral part of Hotcourses.com, allows parents to search by region and gain useful information about over 27,000 schools - including key stage results, classroom sizes and truancy rates.

Looks like the old 'let's throw enough ordure at the wall, some of it is bound to stick' tactic.

[mertle]

Even more criminating stuff tonight breaks.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...signation.html

David Cameron’s most senior civil servant tried to rewrite the resignation letter of Jeremy Hunt’s special adviser to make it appear as though he had acted without authorisation in his contacts with News Corporation, it has emerged.

The hole just got to chasm.

I am sure if cameron saw a sign quicksand ahead he would walk right in it.

Question is did he attempt to alter it on cameron's say so or did he act on his own.

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Originally Posted by Hugh

OMG - a job ad appeared in the Times in mid 2011 for a company he had stood down from as a Director 18 months before.

This proves he is corrupt!!!!!

I think the article alleged showing links to the businesses when they seperate companies with one being news corp the others hunts. If the advert not errored then you must ask how can position work for both businesses.

Like I said not sure on anything sitting on the fence with this. I have used whois before it can cause errors. It maybe errors or missunderstanding read the full article hugh.

[Hugh]

Keep up the innuendo and smearing, mertle - the Sun will offer you a job soon....

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Originally Posted by mertle

Even more criminating stuff tonight breaks.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...signation.html


The hole just got to chasm.

I am sure if cameron saw a sign quicksand ahead he would walk right in it.

Question is did he attempt to alter it on cameron's say so or did he act on his own.

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I think the article alleged showing links to the businesses when they seperate companies with one being news corp the others hunts. If the advert not errored then you must ask how can position work for both businesses.

Like I said not sure on anything sitting on the fence with this. I have used whois before it can cause errors. It maybe errors or missunderstanding read the full article hugh.

'allege' all you want - a quick google show it is easy to show, on their own and other websites, there is no intention to hide any links between Schoolsnet and Hotcourses (Hotcourses owns Schoolsnet, not NI) which is what is implied - gutter journalism.

Many companies advertise jobs in the Times - not just NI companies.

If Hunt has done something wrong, he should be fired - but not because of ill-founded smear and innuendo.

[mertle]

Originally Posted by Hugh

OMG - a job ad appeared in the Times in mid 2011 for a company he had stood down from as a Director 18 months before.

This proves he is corrupt!!!!!

btw, 'obfuscated' is implying unclear or hidden - go to the Schoolsnet.com website and look at the bottom of the page, where it shows ( and in letters the same size as the rest, not 'tiny') new definition of 'hidden' I hadn't come across before....

And if you go on the Hotcourses website, you find this

Looks like the old 'let's throw enough ordure at the wall, some of it is bound to stick' tactic.

which why sat on the fence hugh.

[Hugh]

No, he didn't - but don't let facts spoil your prejudice.

Schoolsnet is a wholly owned subsidiary of Hotcourses (according to your link).

[Maggy J]

This thread is about the News Corp Scandal only.Stick to the subject.Anyone who has other corruption charges to make about other organisations should start another thread about it.

Any further off topic posts will be removed.