What a nerve ?

[Arthurgray50@blu]

www.themirror.co.uk/costa coffee .
I read with dismay that some firms are complaining about how long it takes people to make a cup of coffee, and how much productivity is lost to the employer.

I was thinking, how much time is given to the employee, when they work overtime, when they only take 30 minutes and should take an hour, it is endless.

Tea breaks are the most important times for workers, it is about time employers look in the mirror and said we have to account for there welfare, as a good workforce is a happy one and brings more rewards than money.

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

www.themirror.co.uk/costa coffee .
I read with dismay that some firms are complaining about how long it takes people to make a cup of coffee, and how much productivity is lost to the employer.

I was thinking, how much time is given to the employee, when they work overtime, when they only take 30 minutes and should take an hour, it is endless.

Tea breaks are the most important times for workers, it is about time employers look in the mirror and said we have to account for there welfare, as a good workforce is a happy one and brings more rewards than money.

I fixed your link for you below. We have free automatic coffee machines at work which take 30 seconds to make a brew..

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-sto...5875-22782255/

[vanman]

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

as a good workforce is a happy one and brings more rewards than money.

na give me the money it will make me happier.

[martyh]

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

www.themirror.co.uk/costa coffee .
I read with dismay that some firms are complaining about how long it takes people to make a cup of coffee, and how much productivity is lost to the employer.

I was thinking, how much time is given to the employee, when they work overtime, when they only take 30 minutes and should take an hour, it is endless.

Tea breaks are the most important times for workers, it is about time employers look in the mirror and said we have to account for there welfare, as a good workforce is a happy one and brings more rewards than money.

Firstly congratulations on posting a link ,doesn't work but we are making progress

secondly i agree Arthur ,my wife works for a well known chain of freezer shops(not iceland) and they are absolutely terrible ,One of my wifes shifts is a 4.5 hour one on till for the whole time with no breaks and no chair .That 4.5 hour shift turns into a 5 hr shift because the company got rid of the cleaner and now the staff have to mop all the floors without extra pay .

[vanman]

this why unions came into being to stop workers being exploited.
but i will say no more as the word union may be banned on this forum.

[alferret]

We have an urn on the go all day, takes me about 3 mins to walk from the workshop, make a brew and get back to my machine. The only time I make a drink during actual work hours is around 9am all the rest are made at designated break times so I spend about 15min per week making tea.

[Hugh]

From the Mirror link

The study commissioned for the launch of the T6, a water dispenser, found that 40% of people make tea, coffee or another hot drink for more than one colleague every day

[dcclanuk]

Originally Posted by martyh

Firstly congratulations on posting a link ,doesn't work but we are making progress

secondly i agree Arthur ,my wife works for a well known chain of freezer shops(not iceland) and they are absolutely terrible ,One of my wifes shifts is a 4.5 hour one on till for the whole time with no breaks and no chair .That 4.5 hour shift turns into a 5 hr shift because the company got rid of the cleaner and now the staff have to mop all the floors without extra pay .

If your wife's contract says 4.5 hours, and she is paid the minimum wage/near enough the minimum wage, then her company cannot make her work for 5 hours and pay her for 4.5 hours.

The company can get fined I believe, and HMRC can ask for the additional money to be paid to themselves (and they MAY pass it on to the individual concerned or keep it for themselves).

In short, your wife should tell her employer to pay her for the hours she is working.

Note: This is not about a one-off thing where she works 30 mins on an odd day, but where on a regular basis she is meant to work for 4.5 hours but is working 5 hours as there is an "inferred" contract on her.

I repeat this is only the case for minimum wage/close to minimum wage jobs.

I know this for sure because I work in Tax at a large accountancy firm and this is one of the things we are trying to advise our clients so that they don't get caught up in this.

(PM me if you need me to reply to this thread again. I don't check CF too regularly)

[LSainsbury]

Originally Posted by Hugh

From the Mirror link [/COLOR][/LEFT]

Another story in the form of advertising...

"Buy our product, it'll save your company thousands..."

Meanwhile....a new study by Nescafe suggests that tea is bad for your health.

Next week: Tetley and how coffee is bad for your health...

Repeat until bored....

[superbiatch]

Originally Posted by dcclanuk

If your wife's contract says 4.5 hours, and she is paid the minimum wage/near enough the minimum wage, then her company cannot make her work for 5 hours and pay her for 4.5 hours.

The company can get fined I believe, and HMRC can ask for the additional money to be paid to themselves (and they MAY pass it on to the individual concerned or keep it for themselves).

In short, your wife should tell her employer to pay her for the hours she is working.

Note: This is not about a one-off thing where she works 30 mins on an odd day, but where on a regular basis she is meant to work for 4.5 hours but is working 5 hours as there is an "inferred" contract on her.

I repeat this is only the case for minimum wage/close to minimum wage jobs.

I know this for sure because I work in Tax at a large accountancy firm and this is one of the things we are trying to advise our clients so that they don't get caught up in this.

(PM me if you need me to reply to this thread again. I don't check CF too regularly)

This tends to happen a lot in shops, I was the same working in an off licence where we finished at 10pm (serving), then had to clean unpaid because you werent allowed to do it whilst open because of health and safety. I left in the end, shop staff are treated very poorly by a lot of companies IMO.

[dcclanuk]

Originally Posted by superbiatch

This tends to happen a lot in shops, I was the same working in an off licence where we finished at 10pm (serving), then had to clean unpaid because you werent allowed to do it whilst open because of health and safety. I left in the end, shop staff are treated very poorly by a lot of companies IMO.

Let HMRC know, and you will get what you deserve

(I don't know if that is what you are meant to do, but you can just call up HMRC and say I am being paid for xx hours and made to work for xx hours, what should I do to correct this?)

I guess you could ask your employer first... ?

[Chris]

Originally Posted by LSainsbury

Another story in the form of advertising...

"Buy our product, it'll save your company thousands..."

Meanwhile....a new study by Nescafe suggests that tea is bad for your health.

Next week: Tetley and how coffee is bad for your health...

Repeat until bored....

Many large companies actually pay people to work out how much their column inches would have cost them, had they paid for it as advertising rather than got it for free via a crafty press release.

Fair game to the water dispenser manufacturer for having a go. It doesn't make me want to read the Mirror though. I'd rather spend my time paying attention to journos who actually worked for their story rather than sitting around on their overfed behinds waiting for a nice, soft piece of PR navel fluff to drop into their inbox.

[martyh]

Originally Posted by dcclanuk

If your wife's contract says 4.5 hours, and she is paid the minimum wage/near enough the minimum wage, then her company cannot make her work for 5 hours and pay her for 4.5 hours.

The company can get fined I believe, and HMRC can ask for the additional money to be paid to themselves (and they MAY pass it on to the individual concerned or keep it for themselves).

In short, your wife should tell her employer to pay her for the hours she is working.

Note: This is not about a one-off thing where she works 30 mins on an odd day, but where on a regular basis she is meant to work for 4.5 hours but is working 5 hours as there is an "inferred" contract on her.

I repeat this is only the case for minimum wage/close to minimum wage jobs.

I know this for sure because I work in Tax at a large accountancy firm and this is one of the things we are trying to advise our clients so that they don't get caught up in this.

(PM me if you need me to reply to this thread again. I don't check CF too regularly)

That is indeed the case ,she is working for minimum wage contracted for 16 hours a week split into 2x 4hr +1x 8hr shifts (so correction on the times which i have just confirmed with her) she and the other staff are "expected" to work after the shift finishes and clean the shop ,i have mentioned this time and time again but she doesn't want to rock the boat

[dcclanuk]

Originally Posted by martyh

That is indeed the case ,she is working for minimum wage contracted for 16 hours a week split into 2x 4hr +1x 8hr shifts (so correction on the times which i have just confirmed with her) she and the other staff are "expected" to work after the shift finishes and clean the shop ,i have mentioned this time and time again but she doesn't want to rock the boat

You could call HMRC and mention the above (maybe not say wife or the company name). Ask them what should be done.

Early nxt year I believe HMRC will be hitting hard on this thing. The reason is that if someone is paid more, then there are tax implications, such as NIC (employers NIC and employees NIC), that has to be paid (and also the employee's PAYE etc).

[Arthurgray50@blu]

In a company l worked for many years ago, l worked a wine company where you finished work early some days, but had to work late required for the same money.

But it worked out that at the end of each month, when you tallied your wages up, you had worked MORE hours for nothing, This is going on all the time.

If the employee at the end of each month tallies up actual working hours they will be MORE, than what they are paid for, this was summed up by TWO nationals papers several years ago.