UK will lose fewer public sector jobs, says OBR

[Chrysalis]

I rationale poor as been lower then what I would consider a satisfactory experience.

by your rationale if you use a service from anyone who has no competitior (so no comparison) then you cannot determine if its poor or excellent.

[superbiatch]

The NHS is not just hospital (secondary) care, you also have primary care. There will always be someone unhappy with the healthcare they get whilst you will get 100 people grateful to receive a good standard of healthcare for free.

I don't remember ever being able to get a GP appointment or indeed a referral to primary care services such as chiropody, district nurses, weight or alcohol management, stop smoking services etc within the timescales we do today, so its not all bad.

That said there is always room for improvement, but by making more of us redundant or reducing our hours on the 'shop floor' so to speak is not the answer. I couldn't tell you what some of our directors do, other than sit on boards and make decisions which were once at a service level.

[Flyboy]

Originally Posted by Chrysalis

I rationale poor as been lower then what I would consider a satisfactory experience.

by your rationale if you use a service from anyone who has no competitior (so no comparison) then you cannot determine if its poor or excellent.

Define "satisfactory experience."

[Chrysalis]

satisfactory getting what I would expect.

eg. a hospital refferal I expect to be at a local hospital unless it doesnt have a department for the condition.

I got a refferal for one 100s of miles away instead.

I posted a seperate thread on some specific issues I had in the summer. In the lifestyle section.

I dont expect to be cured at a click of a finger but I also dont expect silly mistakes to be made and to not be taken seriously.

Dont ask me to list what I think is poor about the nhs as we will be here for weeks discussing it.

[Flyboy]

Originally Posted by Chrysalis

satisfactory getting what I would expect.

eg. a hospital refferal I expect to be at a local hospital unless it doesnt have a department for the condition.

I got a refferal for one 100s of miles away instead.

I posted a seperate thread on some specific issues I had in the summer. In the lifestyle section.

I dont expect to be cured at a click of a finger but I also dont expect silly mistakes to be made and to not be taken seriously.

Dont ask me to list what I think is poor about the nhs as we will be here for weeks discussing it.

So you are comparing to with something; your expectations. But what is unclear, is your expectations and what you believe a national health service should provide. How much do you want to pay for your health cover? Would you be happy being at the mercies of the vagaries of your medical history, for example?

[Chrysalis]

People already pay a lot for the NHS, swapping what they pay for health cover would work out cheaper probably for the typical full time worker. eg. they already pay twice for prescriptions, once via taxation and again at the counter.

I am very clear with what I expect. Do you work for the NHS by any chance as you seem to have taken offense to what I am saying.

[Flyboy]

Originally Posted by Chrysalis

People already pay a lot for the NHS, swapping what they pay for health cover would work out cheaper probably for the typical full time worker.

How much would it cost a sixty year old man, with two heart attacks and a stroke behind them, compared to what he might be paying on national insurance contributions? Would he even get the cover?

eg. they already pay twice for prescriptions, once via taxation and again at the counter.

The patient doesn't "pay twice," they pay partly from taxation (which only some do) and partly in prescription charges (which only some do). If prescriptions weren't paid for "at the counter," by some, we would all have to pay more national insurance contributions.

I am very clear with what I expect. Do you work for the NHS by any chance as you seem to have taken offense to what I am saying.

I don't think you really are clear about anything. You have no inkling of what the National Health Service is all about and what it provides, the limitations and constraints of funding, or the point of collective healthcare. No I don't work for the NHS, something you would have realised if you had bothered to read anything I had ever posted. One doesn't have to work for the National Health Service to defend it.

[Maggy J]

Could we get back on topic please..

[Arthurgray50@blu]

If we talk about Clegg going back on his word, what about Cameron, he will ruin this country, I suppose if you have 300.000 people out of work, its better paying unemployment benefit than paying them £30.000 per year won't it, if they work for the public sector.

[Hugh]

So, are you in favour of Keynesian interventionism then?

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

If we talk about Clegg going back on his word, what about Cameron, he will ruin this country, I suppose if you have 300.000 people out of work, its better paying unemployment benefit than paying them £30.000 per year won't it, if they work for the public sector.

Yes, they are employable by the private sector and don't have to be administrated for, don't get unionised, don't need severance pay, I could go on but there's little point.

Much as I would love to say that the days of the overly large public sector that was originally enlarged to help with reconstruction of the country after two world wars and was never reduced back to a sensible size is over that is of course not the case. This is just reversing some of Labour's policies and taking the public sector back to a mere 40% or so of the economy.

So we'll not be getting any tax cuts even after these cuts are done, as the Conservatives aren't actually Conservatives but Tony Blair in blue.

I do agree with you though, Cameron is certainly ruining things the wussy. No referendum on Europe, limited cuts to the public sector, poor excuse for a Tory.

[Flyboy]

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

If we talk about Clegg going back on his word, what about Cameron, he will ruin this country, I suppose if you have 300.000 people out of work, its better paying unemployment benefit than paying them £30.000 per year won't it, if they work for the public sector.

Where do you get thirty thousand pounds a year from?

[Hugh]

Originally Posted by Flyboy

Where do you get thirty thousand pounds a year from?

Arthur makes stuff up......

[Arthurgray50@blu]

Pen pushers, some of them are on £35.000 per year, jts read the adverts in the papers.

[Flyboy]

How many public sector workers earn thirty or even thirty-five thousand pounds a year and how many of those are losing their jobs??