Church Pastor to burn Quran on 9/11

[PeteLockwood]

hmm how about the fact they marry there immediate relatives ? and all the storys you see from 3rd world errr... pooholes were 12 year old girls are married and having children (just like the 1 in yemen who died during child birth)

[danielf]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Well I think it would take a bit more than that, however you cite a certain scenario.

You go up to a girl in the street or in a bar and she has no such protection.

Again you're citing a certain situation where employees enjoy a certain protection from the law. That is irrelevant in this case.

Yes, fair enough. But you'd be in trouble if you were to throw racial slur at a black person in that same bar. Likewise, you can be done for libel/slander. The point is that there are limitations. Some legal, some moral (depending on your morals), but freedom of speech is not unconditional.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by danielf

Yes, fair enough. But you'd be in trouble if you were to throw racial slur at a black person in that same bar. Likewise, you can be done for libel/slander. The point is that there are limitations. Some legal, some moral (depending on your morals), but freedom of speech is not unconditional.

I don't think I've said otherwise.

But apart from certain areas and laws as stated, the conditions are down to your own checks and balances.

Not the checks and balances of others, and that is my point.

[Nugget]

Originally Posted by PeteL

i think that those that dont accept other peoples opinions are the real tards, e.g i think mohammed was a paedophile and most of islam is a result of incest (partly based on fact too), that is my opinion if you disagree so be it but no need to get so up tight about it and go crying (and start riots burn flags and effigies and call for the heads of the government etc etc), is there ?

I accept other peoples opinions, but it doesn't meant that I agree with them - to coin your phrase, I'll never 'go crying' about anything but, to use this proposed burning of the Qu'ran as an example, I find that extremely offensive.

I speak as a complete agnostic, but the burning of any religious text is an act deliberately designed to cause offense to a certain part of the relevant society, be it the Qu'ran, the Torah, the Bible or any other religious text you may choose to follow - publicity has its place, but action for the hope of inflamatory retaliation (which I honestly believe Pastor Jones wants) is plainly wrong...

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Nugget

I accept other peoples opinions, but it doesn't meant that I agree with them - to coin your phrase,

And never should you have to, I don't think anyone is asking you to?

I'll never 'go crying' about anything but, to use this proposed burning of the Qu'ran as an example, I find that extremely offensive.

And once again, you are entitled to be offended, but what do you expect others to do about you feeling offended?

No one is under any obligation to care how you feel.........as being offended is a subjective feeling. Nothing more.

I speak as a complete agnostic, but the burning of any religious text is an act deliberately designed to cause offense to a certain part of the relevant society,

As is, for example, burning a flag?

but action for the hope of inflamatory retaliation (which I honestly believe Pastor Jones wants) is plainly wrong...

But surely the "inflamatory retaliation" is an issue for those retaliating?

Surely it is better to ignore? rather than fan the flames?

If I verbally call you a ***ker, and then as a result of that you then beat me up..........who is the worst????????????????????????????????

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Pierre

As is, for example, burning a flag?

Have to agree with this because I see your point.

burning a book that let's say could have been written by fairies, is a lot less serious and offensive than burning a flag of a country.

to burn a flag is making a statement against all that the flag represents. it can be seen as more offensive when it's done by persons that are of a different flag. but choosing to live in the country of the flag they are burning.

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Originally Posted by Pierre

If I verbally call you a ***ker, and then as a result of that you then beat me up..........who is the worst????????????????????????????????

The ***ker?

[Hugh]

Originally Posted by PeteL

i think that those that dont accept other peoples opinions are the real tards, e.g i think mohammed was a paedophile and most of islam is a result of incest (partly based on fact too), that is my opinion if you disagree so be it but no need to get so up tight about it and go crying (and start riots burn flags and effigies and call for the heads of the government etc etc), is there ?

Pete, I thought you were joining up?

You don't appear to be living up to (at least one of) the standards expected, in the "Values and Standards of the British Army" document.

Respect for Others
15 Respect for others is a hallmark of the British Army: it comes from the duty to put others first and means that there is no place for prejudice or favouritism. Like loyalty, respect for others goes both up and down the chain of command and sideways among peers.


The Army’s recruiting motto ‘Be the Best’ can only have meaning if all members of it have equality of treatment and opportunity.

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

They haven't come to a deal, it cost millions for the land in New York, they aren't going to change plans at this late stage because of a small town hick and a box of matches, more like he has bottled it due to increasing pressure.

Or he was just threatening to do it to gain publicity and actually had no intention of burning the Quran.