Wot No Screaming About Cameron's Gaffe?

[Peter_]

Originally Posted by Damien

Might want to revisit History yourself...

I am talking about America and not our allies such as France, Poland, Czechoslovakia, Greece and so forth plus our Commonwealth forces to name but a few.

So next time remember what we are speaking about and try not to be pedantic.

[Damien]

Originally Posted by Masque

I am talking about America and not our allies such as France, Poland, Czechoslovakia, Greece and so forth plus our Commonwealth forces to name but a few.

So next time remember what we are speaking about and try not to be pedantic.

When you said 'No one else' you were excluding everyone but America and Britain

Sounds like a Gaffe to me

[Peter_]

Originally Posted by Damien

When you said 'No one else' you were excluding everyone but America and Britain

Sounds like a Gaffe to me

We are talking about us allegedly being a junior partner to America in the 2nd World War, a war that they had no part in until the 7th December 1941 which in most peoples eyes makes that comment to be completely wrong.

As for the countries mentioned in my previous post the majority were already occupied or subjugated at this time and we had some of the their armed forces fighting with our forces, including the Polish fighter squadron that fought in the Battle of Britain.

The commonwealth would already be included as part of our forces anyway.

So as we were on our own in 1940 that does actually make us the sole partner in that war.

[Damien]

Originally Posted by Masque

We are talking about us allegedly being a junior partner to America in the 2nd World War, a war that they had no part in until the 7th December 1941 which in most peoples eyes makes that comment to be completely wrong.

As for the countries mentioned in my previous post the majority were already occupied or subjugated at this time and we had some of the their armed forces fighting with our forces, including the Polish fighter squadron that fought in the Battle of Britain.

The commonwealth would already be included as part of our forces anyway.

So as we were on our own in 1940 that does actually make us the sole partner in that war.

Ok. Fair enough that is what you mean. However your statement:

We were not a junior partner to anyone when fighting the Nazi's in 1940 as no one else but us were fighting the Nazi's in 1940 and that is fact as America was still neutral at that time and would have remained so if Japan had not attacked Pearl Harbour.

You explicitly specify that 'No one else but us were fighting the Nazis in 1940'. There is nothing to suggest you were limiting that statement to the Americans, even if you were using such language would still led most to believe that you meant Britain stood alone.

So your statement was just as wrong as Cameron's statement. Both poorly phrased. Easy to do.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Masque

We are talking about us allegedly being a junior partner to America in the 2nd World War, a war that they had no part in until the 7th December 1941 which in most peoples eyes makes that comment to be completely wrong.

As for the countries mentioned in my previous post the majority were already occupied or subjugated at this time and we had some of the their armed forces fighting with our forces, including the Polish fighter squadron that fought in the Battle of Britain.

The commonwealth would already be included as part of our forces anyway.

So as we were on our own in 1940 that does actually make us the sole partner in that war.

Played no part? The Americans were on our side before war even started, FDR side stepped all sorts legislation and neutrality laws to ship aid and weapons to Britain, China etc even sending us planes built for the French after the fall of Paris.

[Peter_]

Originally Posted by Damien

Ok. Fair enough that is what you mean. However your statement:



You explicitly specify that 'No one else but us were fighting the Nazis in 1940'. There is nothing to suggest you were limiting that statement to the Americans, even if you were using such language would still led most to believe that you meant Britain stood alone.

So your statement was just as wrong as Cameron's statement. Both poorly phrased. Easy to do.

As a country we were alone in Europe against the Nazi's as the rest were under Nazi occupation or control pus a few were neutral.

So we were actually fighting the Nazi's ourselves in 1940 hence the Battle of Britain in which we were alone trying to prevent the invasion, so not poorly phrased at all.

[Damien]

Originally Posted by Masque

As a country we were alone in Europe against the Nazi's as the rest were under Nazi occupation or control pus a few were neutral.

So we were actually fighting the Nazi's ourselves in 1940 hence the Battle of Britain in which we were alone trying to prevent the invasion, so not poorly phrased at all.

France, as a country, was still fighting them at the start of 1940. Then the French Resistance continued to do so after the occupation. There were all sorts of Allied/Axis skirmishes in Europe. Not to mention the commonwealth countries which you cannot count as 'Britain' because they are their own countries.

[Osem]

Well it seems like there's quite a lot of "screaming about Cameron's gaffe" after all...

[Peter_]

Originally Posted by Damien

France, as a country, was still fighting them at the start of 1940. Then the French Resistance continued to do so after the occupation. There were all sorts of Allied/Axis skirmishes in Europe

As a country France was already virtually overrun as Dunkirk happened in Late May to early June and most countries in Europe had some form of resistance running throughout the war.

But by the time of Dunkirk the was just us alone as a country and Hitler expected us to roll over and capitulate, which we did not considering how much equipment we lost by the expeditionary force during the evacuation.

We resisted Germany to the best of our ability during 1940, and it paid off as the invasion Operation Sealion was put on permanent hold by the Nazi's, not bad for an island nation.

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Originally Posted by Osem

Well it seems like there's quite a lot of "screaming about Cameron's gaffe" after all...

No slightly different conversation as our A level in History leader is probably is unaware of the subject we are discussing.

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by Masque

We are talking about us allegedly being a junior partner to America in the 2nd World War, a war that they had no part in until the 7th December 1941 which in most peoples eyes makes that comment to be completely wrong.

You are talking about that, Cameron wasn't though.
He was talking about the relationship we had with the US in 1940, nothing at all to do with our lads fighting in Europe.

[Peter_]

Originally Posted by Xaccers

You are talking about that, Cameron wasn't though.
He was talking about the relationship we had with the US in 1940, nothing at all to do with our lads fighting in Europe.

But how can we be a junior member in a war that America is not involved in, he made the gaffe.

Here is some back pedalling HERE were Downing Street have released this below.

"He holds the armed forces in a very high regard. He was referring to the current relationship between the UK and US."

He should have said that then instead of his gaffe.

[danielf]

Originally Posted by Xaccers

You are talking about that, Cameron wasn't though.
He was talking about the relationship we had with the US in 1940, nothing at all to do with our lads fighting in Europe.

You appear to be the only one that thinks he was. Everybody else thinks he was 'saying it as it is' and slipped up. An unfortunate mistake, but we all make mistakes/say things that come out wrong. Time to move on.

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by Masque

But how can we be a junior member in a war that America is not involved in, he made the gaffe.

Where do you get "junior member in a war" from?
Seriously I'm interested in that.

[roger skillin]

As Dave Vitty from the Chris moyles show would say, "Uh No-one cares"

[Peter_]

Originally Posted by Xaccers

Where do you get "junior member in a war" from?
Seriously I'm interested in that.

With you being to much of the Tory boy supporter protecting your leader from scurrilous slurs on his character you seem to have actually missed the whole point of this thread.

He said

"We were the junior partner in 1940 when we were fighting the Nazis."

Taken from HERE but also the are similar pages to be found HERE.


Now who could we have been junior to, as it could not be the US as they were not actually involved in the war at that time.