Wot No Screaming About Cameron's Gaffe? - Page 4

Xaccers · 22-07-2010, 23:28

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Originally Posted by frogstamper

I don't think Cameron would have made the "we were the junior partner in 1940 whilst we were fighting the Nazis" had he been in Britain, weather it was a genuine mistake or weather his surroundings coloured his statement, surely there can be no doubt that prior to Dec 40 America played no active part in WW2, ergo our only partners were the then dominions.

So what you're saying is unless we're fighting as allies, we aren't partners in a relationship?
Which would mean we stopped the relationship after WW2, rekindled it with Korea, and it's been rekindled again over Afghanistan and Iraq, but once that's done and dusted the special relationship will be disbanded, right?

frogstamper · 22-07-2010, 23:39

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Originally Posted by Xaccers

So what you're saying is unless we're fighting as allies, we aren't partners in a relationship?
Which would mean we stopped the relationship after WW2, rekindled it with Korea, and it's been rekindled again over Afghanistan and Iraq, but once that's done and dusted the special relationship will be disbanded, right?

No Xaccers I'm sure sure you are well aware what I am and everybody else who has posted a similar response means, what your claiming is pure semantics, there were countless countries who had a relationship with Britain in 1940 but by no stretch of the imagination could they have been called partners in a war they didn't participate in.
I honestly wonder if you would have been a quarter this vociferous in your defense had this been Blair or Brown? because I can categorically say I would be saying exactly the same had it been either of them.

Xaccers · 22-07-2010, 23:57

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Originally Posted by frogstamper

No Xaccers I'm sure sure you are well aware what I am and everybody else who has posted a similar response means, what your claiming is pure semantics, there were countless countries who had a relationship with Britain in 1940 but by no stretch of the imagination could they have been called partners in a war they didn't participate in.
I honestly wonder if you would have been a quarter this vociferous in your defense had this been Blair or Brown? because I can categorically say I would be saying exactly the same had it been either of them.

And at no point did Cameron say Britain and America were "partners in a war"
My objection is to the suggestion that one thing was said when it certainly wasn't.
I've posted many times in the past defending someone I find repugnant because they are being falsely accused of something.

Mr Angry · 23-07-2010, 00:36

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Originally Posted by Xaccers

I've posted many times in the past defending someone I find repugnant because they are being falsely accused of something.

Perhaps, but this isn't one of them.

Xaccers · 23-07-2010, 01:12

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Originally Posted by Mr Angry

Perhaps, but this isn't one of them.

I've yet to see the quote where Cameron says we were partners in war in 1940

Mr Angry · 23-07-2010, 01:21

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Originally Posted by Xaccers

I've yet to see the quote where Cameron says we were partners in war in 1940

You've yet to "see" it because, as several have pointed out in this thread, you don't seem to be capable of hearing it.

It's there. You are choosing not to hear it. That's your right, but let's not pretend it wasn't said.

Sirius · 23-07-2010, 06:30

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Originally Posted by Mr Angry

It's been a day for gaffes.

Earlier we heard Clegg make reference to the illegal invasion of Iraq.

Good because it was.

Xaccers · 23-07-2010, 07:49

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Originally Posted by Mr Angry

You've yet to "see" it because, as several have pointed out in this thread, you don't seem to be capable of hearing it.

It's there. You are choosing not to hear it. That's your right, but let's not pretend it wasn't said.

Maybe we should up your lithium as you appear to be hearing and seeing things which aren't there

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Originally Posted by Cameron talking about the special relationship between the UK and the US

"I think it is important in life to speak as it is and the fact is that we are a very effective partner of the US but we are the junior partner," he said.

"We were the junior partner in 1940 when we were fighting the Nazis."

To suggest that we weren't partners with the US in 1940 dishonours those who risked their lives bringing much needed resources across the Atlantic, and those who worked so hard to get support for America to send troops.

Mr Angry · 23-07-2010, 08:12

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Originally Posted by Xaccers

Maybe we should up your lithium as you appear to be hearing and seeing things which aren't there

I'm neither seeing nor hearing things. As per your own quote:

"I think it is important in life to speak as it is and the fact is that we are a very effective partner of the US but we are the junior partner," he said.

"We were the junior partner in 1940 when we were fighting the Nazis."

Your interpretation differs from many others - that is your right.

**Hugh** · 23-07-2010, 08:28

Just think, all this furore over a missing "s".

If DC had said "We were the junior partner in (the) 1940(s) when we were fighting the Nazis.", would this present uproar be happening?

**Damien** · 23-07-2010, 08:54

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Originally Posted by foreverwar

Just think, all this furore over a missing "s".

If DC had said "We were the junior partner in (the) 1940(s) when we were fighting the Nazis.", would this present uproar be happening?

That's what I thought he meant.

Might still be a small uproar though because there are still some who think acknowledging America's large role in defeating the Nazis is unpatriotic

Mr Angry · 23-07-2010, 09:00

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Originally Posted by foreverwar

Just think, all this furore over a missing "s".

If DC had said "We were the junior partner in (the) 1940(s) when we were fighting the Nazis.", would this present uproar be happening?

Absolutely not. The additional clarity would have been helpful.

Xaccers · 23-07-2010, 09:09

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Originally Posted by Mr Angry

I'm neither seeing nor hearing things. As per your own quote:

"I think it is important in life to speak as it is and the fact is that we are a very effective partner of the US but we are the junior partner," he said.

"We were the junior partner in 1940 when we were fighting the Nazis."

Your interpretation differs from many others - that is your right.

Let me explain why by replacing "we were" with who Cameron was meaning by "we"

"The British were the junior partner in 1940 when the British were fighting the Nazis"

Would any of you be so kind as to explain how that can be interpreted as "the British played second fiddle to the US during fighting with the Nazis" especially when the US didn't start fighting the Nazis in 1940?

Peter_ · 23-07-2010, 09:51

This is a comment froim David Cameron who achieved a grade A when he took his History A-level at Eton in 1984

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"The British were the junior partner in 1940 when the British were fighting the Nazis"

Did he crib of someone else as he should know better, what an idiot.

We were not a junior partner to anyone when fighting the Nazi's in 1940 as no one else but us were fighting the Nazi's in 1940 and that is fact as America was still neutral at that time and would have remained so if Japan had not attacked Pearl Harbour.

**Damien** · 23-07-2010, 10:04

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Originally Posted by Masque

We were not a junior partner to anyone when fighting the Nazi's in 1940 as no one else but us were fighting the Nazi's in 1940 and that is fact as America was still neutral at that time and would have remained so if Japan had not attacked Pearl Harbour.

Might want to revisit History yourself...