Another protest against plans for a new mosque

[martyh]

Originally Posted by Xaccers

My point is that sufficient parking is not a regulatory requirement for a building to get planning permission.
My parent's whole housing estate does not have sufficient parking. By your logic those houses should not have been given planning permission.
While it would be great if sufficient parking was a prerequisite, it's not.
If patrons of a mosque are parking illegally, then ticket them, if they're not but their just inconveniencing other drivers slightly, then that's just something to live with.

actually that's 100% wrong all new commercial premises have to demonstrate they have sufficient parking for any customers wether that is attached to the premises or by virtue of car parks close by that can handle any extra parking brought about by new customers to the area ,they also have to have surveys done (if the expected customer increase is large enough)for increased traffic flow which may or may not result in new road layouts .

the point you made about parking (red highlite) is the point of the thread imo .It is parking that most people worry about .For years the elswick road mosque was a parking problem ,they were granted permission to build a new mosque a couple of hundred yards down the road with attached parking this just compounded the problem as the mosque took about 250 more worshipers than the old one so eventually after complaints from the local residents ,fire brigade and bus companies the council had to put double yellow lines along that stretch of road ,which has moved the problem to the residents who get their drives blocked by overflow parking

[Xaccers]

Except a mosque is not a commercial premises.

[martyh]

here's a photo of the mosque i mentioned ,you will see that the problem of parking accross residents drives has been solved ...they pulled the houses down also the small buissness park has gone (green grass is now a car park)

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by martyh

so eventually after complaints from the local residents ,fire brigade and bus companies the council had to put double yellow lines along that stretch of road ,which has moved the problem to the residents who get their drives blocked by overflow parking

Same with the one I know. the cars are double parked in the surrounding streets. blocking drives and blocking traffic getting through.

if you're down there at the time it's absolute mayhem. there's a little island with 7 exits. there's no traffic control. and everyone fights to enter and exit. you see people getting out of cars and arguing and everything!

The police can't and won't do anything. but you just know if this wasn't a mosque that was causing these problems something would be done along with loads of traffic offences and fines.

[martyh]

Originally Posted by Xaccers

Except a mosque is not a commercial premises.

yes it is ,the same as nursing homes on grainger park road ,wicks superstore stamfordham rd all had to have extensive research into extra parking and road use

[Rainman]

I am sick of seeing mosque, women in burkas and living in my own city not understanding the language that the people stood next to me are talking it has completely changed.
If there is this money going about why not use it for School, hospitals and care homes.
Use it to bring us together not to separate us through race or religion. While we are at it pull down the churches as only hypocrites go there.
If that's raciesum then I am a racist.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Xaccers

Course I wouldn't mind getting married there.

Is that a proposal and, if so, to whom?

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by martyh

yes it is ,the same as nursing homes on grainger park road ,wicks superstore stamfordham rd all had to have extensive research into extra parking and road use

I'd love you to show me the regulations which stipulate that.
For starters, businesses are often not allowed sufficient parking for all of their needs, which would suggest the planning office is regularly in breach of it's own regulations.
The company I worked for in Staines was not allowed to purchase more parking bays after another business nearby went bust, to encourage use of public transport. So that new building we were in was built with insufficient parking bays.

Originally Posted by Rainman

I am sick of seeing mosque, women in burkas and living in my own city not understanding the language that the people stood next to me are talking it has completely changed.
If there is this money going about why not use it for School, hospitals and care homes.
Use it to bring us together not to separate us through race or religion. While we are at it pull down the churches as only hypocrites go there.
If that's raciesum then I am a racist.

To my knowledge, no public funding goes towards building churches/synagogues/mosques/etc

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by martyh

http://www.ci.woodland.wa.us/codes/_...parking__.html

there you go

those regs are for churches but also apply to mosques i assume

...in the state of Washington (that's in the US)

[Arthurgray50@blu]

To be absolutely honest, l am fed up to the back teeth at reading at new mosque's being built, wether it be public money or there own, why can't there be just one built in an area, where traffic will be easy to move and local residents do not have any objections.

I live near Hounslow, and there are two mosgue's within half a mile from each other, there is no need for this, where one is sufficent.

[martyh]

appologies for the wrong link i had several pages open and gave the wrong one

here's the right one
http://www.planningni.gov.uk/index/p...-standards.pdf

or this random one from derbishire

http://www.highpeak.gov.uk/planning/.../Appendix1.pdf

this is just to illustrate my point to xaccers that there are requirements for parking

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

I live near Hounslow, and there are two mosgue's within half a mile from each other, there is no need for this, where one is sufficent.

I have to agree. they are too close to each other. if there's not enough now and they keep getting permission to build them. there's going to be one on every corner (so to speak) soon.

It'll even confuse the tourists. they'll be thinking they went to Baghdad instead of Britain

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by martyh

appologies for the wrong link i had several pages open and gave the wrong one

here's the right one
http://www.planningni.gov.uk/index/p...-standards.pdf

or this random one from derbishire

http://www.highpeak.gov.uk/planning/.../Appendix1.pdf

this is just to illustrate my point to xaccers that there are requirements for parking

It illustrates the maximum permissible parking spaces, not minimum.
So when it says 1 parking space per 3 or 5 seats, it does not mean that there must be 1 per 3 or 5, but it means there cannot be more than 1 per 3 or 5.
So depending on the local regulations they might only be allowed a maximum of 1000 car parking spaces to be built.

Would you like to try again?

[sollp]

Originally Posted by ceedee

What do you (Gary) think about the English Defence League protesters in Dudley chanting "If you build your f*cking mosque we'll burn it down" at 3:15 in this video?

Like it or not, agree with them or not, i see more people getting violent and more protests over all these issues,(race, religion,immigration).

[Hugh]

Originally Posted by martyh

here's a photo of the mosque i mentioned ,you will see that the problem of parking accross residents drives has been solved ...they pulled the houses down also the small buissness park has gone (green grass is now a car park)

Where these houses subject to compulsory purchase for some reason? Who bought them, the council? Where did the people who lived in the houses go to?