Unemployed trial slave labour.

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by foreverwar

You would be incorrect in that assumption - the only benefit proposed to be affected by this is JSA, and that is for the individual. Other benefits are not affected paid to a family would not be affected.

So if you have a 'couple' living in the same house. both unemployed. the woman can't claim for herself the man has to claim for both of them.
with the claim he is entitled to housing and council tax benefit.

he claims so much money for both them including the rent/council tax.

when they stop his benefits for say working on the side, they just stop his part of the money. they carry on paying him into his bank account the money for her and the rent/council tax?

[RizzyKing]

We definately need an updated system where unemployment is concerned as right now the system penalises you for say doing two weeks work when you can. I would like a system where your benefit can be suspended for short periods allowing people to take casual work when they can and then resume their benefit without having to sign off and back on again. It is funny how the government and so many other entitys talk about the need to be flexible in todays labour market and yet many of our systems in relation to benefit are anything but flexible.

Right now where i live a lot of people have lost their jobs and at xmas time many wanted to take up the seasonal work but because of the hassle of benefit they decided not to because the work was only for a few weeks. It is such a wated oppurtunity by the system because it would show how much people want to work and how willing they are as well as the masive personal benefit to those people that even short time work brings.

As with many other things in this country our media need a severe kick up the backside because they are the ones doing the biggest damage to benefit claimants they promote and perpetuate the myth that all on benefit are looking for an easy ride and something for nothing. They ingrain that attitude and make it ten times harder for people to get out of the benefit cycle and quite deliberately as far as i am concerned so they can moan about the problem and sell their dirty little rags.

[rogermevans]

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

We definately need an updated system where unemployment is concerned as right now the system penalises you for say doing two weeks work when you can. I would like a system where your benefit can be suspended for short periods allowing people to take casual work when they can and then resume their benefit without having to sign off and back on again. It is funny how the government and so many other entitys talk about the need to be flexible in todays labour market and yet many of our systems in relation to benefit are anything but flexible.

Right now where i live a lot of people have lost their jobs and at xmas time many wanted to take up the seasonal work but because of the hassle of benefit they decided not to because the work was only for a few weeks. It is such a wated oppurtunity by the system because it would show how much people want to work and how willing they are as well as the masive personal benefit to those people that even short time work brings.

As with many other things in this country our media need a severe kick up the backside because they are the ones doing the biggest damage to benefit claimants they promote and perpetuate the myth that all on benefit are looking for an easy ride and something for nothing. They ingrain that attitude and make it ten times harder for people to get out of the benefit cycle and quite deliberately as far as i am concerned so they can moan about the problem and sell their dirty little rags.

yep benefits should be paid or at least worked out on a daily basis so people would be able to do a days work with out totally messing up all other benefits often for weeks afterwards

[Mr Angry]

Could we not give unemployed people jobs giving workers a piggy back to and from work at a regular taxi fare rate per journey?

It would cut down on pollution and greenhouse gasses.

[SMG]

Originally Posted by Mr Angry

Could we not give unemployed people jobs giving workers a piggy back to and from work at a regular taxi fare rate per journey?

It would cut down on pollution and greenhouse gasses.

Now that is deffo a breach of their Human Rights.

However, if you gave them a rickshaw to pull.........................

[v0id]

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

We definately need an updated system where unemployment is concerned as right now the system penalises you for say doing two weeks work when you can. I would like a system where your benefit can be suspended for short periods allowing people to take casual work when they can and then resume their benefit without having to sign off and back on again. It is funny how the government and so many other entitys talk about the need to be flexible in todays labour market and yet many of our systems in relation to benefit are anything but flexible.

Right now where i live a lot of people have lost their jobs and at xmas time many wanted to take up the seasonal work but because of the hassle of benefit they decided not to because the work was only for a few weeks. It is such a wated oppurtunity by the system because it would show how much people want to work and how willing they are as well as the masive personal benefit to those people that even short time work brings.

As with many other things in this country our media need a severe kick up the backside because they are the ones doing the biggest damage to benefit claimants they promote and perpetuate the myth that all on benefit are looking for an easy ride and something for nothing. They ingrain that attitude and make it ten times harder for people to get out of the benefit cycle and quite deliberately as far as i am concerned so they can moan about the problem and sell their dirty little rags.

Two words, 'Rapid Reclaim'

[foreverwar]

Originally Posted by Gary L

So if you have a 'couple' living in the same house. both unemployed. the woman can't claim for herself the man has to claim for both of them.
with the claim he is entitled to housing and council tax benefit.

he claims so much money for both them including the rent/council tax.

when they stop his benefits for say working on the side, they just stop his part of the money. they carry on paying him into his bank account the money for her and the rent/council tax?

We were discussing JSA and WFYB - I see you have invited Mr Move-The-Goalposts to the discussion; so unlike you....

[frogstamper]

Originally Posted by foreverwar

We were discussing JSA and WFYB - I see you have invited Mr Move-The-Goalposts to the discussion; so unlike you....

Shame on you foreverwar, both you and Maggy have now suggested that Gary could be wrong!!!
Surely there has never been a more intelligent or perfect poster than our Gary?

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by foreverwar

We were discussing JSA and WFYB - I see you have invited Mr Move-The-Goalposts to the discussion; so unlike you....

You must be a benefits expert or you have a link to give me

---------- Post added at 21:16 ---------- Previous post was at 21:13 ----------

Originally Posted by frogstamper

Surely there has never been a more intelligent or perfect poster than our Gary?

I don't believe there ever will be.

[foreverwar]

Originally Posted by foreverwar

We were discussing JSA and WFYB - I see you have invited Mr Move-The-Goalposts to the discussion; so unlike you....

Originally Posted by Gary L

You must be a benefits expert or you have a link to give me

From your first post on this thread

Despite high levels of unemployment due to the recession jobseekers in Greater Manchester will be forced to work up to 40 hours a week as part of the Work for Your Benefits (WfYB) pilot scheme. The region is set to be the trialling ground for a government initiative that will see unemployed people put into mandatory work placements for up to six months just to hold on to their Jobseeker’s Allowance.

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by foreverwar

From your first post on this thread

The region is set to be the trialling ground for a government initiative that will see unemployed people put into mandatory work placements for up to six months just to hold on to their Jobseeker’s Allowance.

Is that it?
that means that the only benefit proposed to be affected by this is JSA, and that is for the individual. Other benefits are not affected paid to a family would not be affected. ????