Unemployed trial slave labour.

[RizzyKing]

SMG with all respect m8 when was the last time you were unemployed ???. I was out of work for nearly three years was not highly qualified and was not seeking massive wages i had retrained after being medically discharged from the army in IT\business admin not a field lacking in jobs and not exactly hard to find. I then did two further courses to get better business admin quali's and still couldn't get a job i was looking for jobs paying around 13k a year and made over several hundred applications with nearly two hundred interviews and in all of those i never managed to get a job despite being prepared to work any hours any days of the week.

When asking unofficially after not getting a job (i always phoned asking to try and help not make any mistake a second time in interviews) i was always told one of four things. One i was over qualified for the position, second i was under qualified for the position, third they felt my medical condition would mean i would be off for more then was worth their time and forth and you will love this as ex army i could have issue's from my service they weren't prepared to chance basically some idiots seemed to feel i could flip out at any minute and go on a killing spree in the office .

I was out of work for a long enough time to qualify as one of your "don't won't to work sitting around doing nothing" despite doing every damn thing i could to try and get a job and you know what i know quite a few others who have found themself in the same situation through no fault of their own. It isn't as black and white as you like to make out and sometimes people despite being prepared to work and being happy to work cannot get a job.

As i said this will not hit that hard core group of work shy they will find a way out of this as they always do and the only people that will get hit by this abomination of a scheme will actually be people like you who by no fault of their own find themselves without a job and struggle to get back on track.

[Russ]

I'm assuming that those with the responsibility of children will either be permitted to work less hours to pick up and collect from school or will have the cost of child minders added to their benefit.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Russ

I'm assuming that those with the responsibility of children will either be permitted to work less hours to pick up and collect from school or will have the cost of child minders added to their benefit.

it sounds like your suggesting that slaves should have rights

children can be carried around on their parents backs ,until they reach slave working age [lets say 4] then they can get a job in a sweat shop for sixpence a day .

this will help to boost the economy and drag gordo's nuts out of the fire .
vote liebour

[Maggy J]

Originally Posted by SMG

What rubbish. You would allow some people to refuse to work, for no reason, & defend them with human rights?

What about the human rights of ordinary hard working people, who are sick & tired of paying for some lazy useless individuals, lying in bed, waiting for their weekly handout?

You really don't get it do you?Have you ever worked for minimum wage?And even 40 hours at this rate will only net £50 a week..As Russ says what do single parent families do?I know it costs something like £50 to place a child in some nursery/playgroups for one day..

I'm not against such a scheme I'm against them being paid less than minimum wage which would make this slave labour and distinctly against human rights.

And as a point of interest how and to whom do you think human rights should apply.You seem to favour a pick and choose method as opposed to one set of human rights fits all.

[Hugh]

Originally Posted by Russ

I'm assuming that those with the responsibility of children will either be permitted to work less hours to pick up and collect from school or will have the cost of child minders added to their benefit.

Link page 12

10 Travel, Childcare and Financial Assistance and Equipment

10.1 Suppliers are responsible for ensuring customers have the support they need to move towards employment and to participate in WfYB. Suppliers will be expected to cover these costs within their organisation. Bidders will need to include these costs within the financial part of their bid at the second stage. Further information will be provided in the ItT.
10.2 In some circumstances suppliers may need to coordinate childcare arrangements with Jobcentre Plus. Further details will be provided in the ItT.

[Will21st]

This scheme is a really bad idea....

Why? Well,Germany did the same about ten years ago,and now millions of Germans work in so-called '1-Euro jobs'.

It ruined the wages for a lot of people,and companies and even the state will often help themselves to this pool of cheap labour.

Also,I thought the job of an unemployed person was to look for work,not ruin the principle labour market??

Bad,bad,bad idea!!

[Derek]

It's not ideal but instead of people just saying "Crap idea, don't bother" how about people share their ideas to get the unemployed back to work and to sort out the job-shy.

[Spectato]

Fire up the Soylent Green factory and turn them all into nutritious biscuits.

Or, how about the government nurturing and supporting small businesses, manufacturing, farming and other 'real' industries that create and sustain jobs, instead of crushing them out of existence with insurmountable costs?

[v0id]

Wasn't all that 'YTS', 'New Deal', 'Work Trials', (and even modern apprenticeships) pretty much a 'work for your benfits' scheme anyway?
They just change the name and disguise it as some flashy new idea to the media and the public every 10/15 years or so, usually when there's a general election looming just so they can say "we're doing somthing about unemployment", without actually creating more jobs.

[RizzyKing]

Me and a few others have made suggestions Derek main one being train people to fill the gaps we have in our skills and allow them to train up and get real worthwhile qualifications allowing them to get decent jobs. Right now the whole unemployment training area in England is pretty much a farce with numerous companys taking people getting them the very basic qualification they can and claiming large amounts of cash for doing it. Whole time i was training the ali (adult learning inspectorate) visited just once and only spoke to the people the training centre allowed them too it seemed like a waste of time to me and all the others there who had legit complaints.

There is a difference between not wanting to work and not being able to afford to take any job on offer and for some people it's a critical factor. How nice it would be if everyone could get by on the wages shops pay to stack shelves or flip burgers in a fast food joint but there is a reason the majority of those doing those jobs are either young single people or older married people. Not one person i have seen on this forum supports the truly lazy, could but won't work brigade trouble is the only way to hit them is by hitting a far larger number of innocent people in the process and causing a lot of hurt and pain.

I would start though by looking very carefully at the people who are claiming absolutely everything they are entitled too as they by and large seem to be the scam brigade. Although even there you have innocents that have had help from organisations to help them claim what they should. There is no easy solution to this problem and maybe that's why back in the eighties the tories said you will always have a proportion of unemployed didn't go down well but it's the truth.

This scheme is not the answer though and while it panders to the people who view all benefit claimants as scum wasting taxpayers money they really are a small tiny minority and no where near as large a group as rags like the daily hate would have the public believe. Hell extend this scheme enough how do all those who have decent paid jobs now like the idea that this could end up with people putting them out of work or on vastly reduced wages because once you create a virtual slave labour force no one in work is going to prosper from it except scum bosses i am not sure who i hate most the lazy won't work brigade or the i'll exploit the hell out of everyone bosses.

I think we are all missing the most basic component of todays labour market in the UK.... No matter what the government may want to do with regard to unemployment. There are just too many warm bodies, for too few jobs. Thus there will always be a surplus of warm bodies, sitting around doing nothing.... There are only so many shelves that need stackers, only so many bugers that need flipping etc....

[Hom3r]

Well I had my monthly call only 3 jobs.

One was to far for the £12,000 pay cut.

Another was in London and again money was crap (£3,500 PA for travel)

The first two the woman I spoke to agreed with me that they weren't really an option.

The third was a 45 minute car journey which is do able. But I need a CRB check.

Where do I get that from and how much is that gonna cost, like I ain't gotta to fork out enough each month.

[martyh]

Originally Posted by Hom3r

Well I had my monthly call only 3 jobs.

One was to far for the £12,000 pay cut.

Another was in London and again money was crap (£3,500 PA for travel)

The first two the woman I spoke to agreed with me that they weren't really an option.

The third was a 45 minute car journey which is do able. But I need a CRB check.

Where do I get that from and how much is that gonna cost, like I ain't gotta to fork out enough each month.

re the CRB check i have to have one to do construction work in schools and it's going to cost me £60 the company arrange it and i foot the bill

[Chris]

All you need to know is here:

http://www.crb.homeoffice.gov.uk/

[SMG]

Originally Posted by SMG

23 year old lads who have never worked, sitting at home with the beer cans, sucking on the bong, knocking up a 13 year old girl, & living as a parasite on the system,

Originally Posted by Mr Angry

Mate, with all due respect, if this is something you're aware of happening there are other places (ie your local nick) that need to know about it before CF.

Just after the birth, the Police did get involved, they questioned the girl who told them she had said she was 16. The Police took no action whatsoever.

This lad has no intention of even seeing the child, he will not even get out of bed when this girl visits. He asked his Mother for some money to by the child some clothes, then spent it on cigarettes & drink for himself & his mates. He has never worked. He is a parasite, a useless individual who sponges & leeches off the backs of decent honest hard working people.

This is the type of individual who should be exempt from any form of reasonable treatment. I would have him up & out at 6am, picking up the crap off the streets, I would make him work 40 hours for his benefits. He would not get one penny otherwise.

Like I said, if that works out at 50p an hour, so be it.