Will we ever get to the truth about Ashcroft's tax status

[Flyboy]

Originally Posted by foreverwar

Strange, isn't it, that people continually hark back to Mrs Thatcher as on ongoing influence on the Tory party, but mention the previous Prime Minister from three years ago, and it appears not to have the same relevance.

So Mandelson, Burnham, Milliband - no influence in the Labour Government.....

I am pretty sure there are many in the Labour party who remain inspired by Tony Blair's leadership and I am almost certain his ideology still motivates many members. But I don't think he has much influence upon the policy makers in the party.

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Originally Posted by Chris

Stranger still how all the Labourites have been so careful to draw their lines in the sand so that Lord Ashcroft is 'bad' and Lord Paul is 'good'.

Personally speaking (and I have said this before), I think all contributors to all political parties should be citizens of the UK and domiciled in the UK.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by foreverwar

But Lord Paul isn't a non-dom!
(Oops, yes he is)

But Lord Paul hasn't contributed to the Labour Party!
(Ooops, my bad - yes he has)

But Lord Paul isn't/hasn't been a senior member of the Labour Party!
(Ooops, my bad again, he was Labour Deputy Speaker in the House of Lords)

But Lord Paul didn't step down from his Office whilst being investigated for £38k in expenses claimed for a flat he had never spent a night in (even though his personal fortune is approx £500 million)!
(Oops, my bad once again - he did).

BUT IT'S COMPLETELY DIFFERENT! - WHY CAN'T YOU UNDERSTAND THAT!

Yeah, it's totally different - you just need the special ultra-polarised rose tinted glasses to see it!...

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Osem

Yeah, it's totally different - you just need the special ultra-polarised rose tinted glasses to see it!...

da da da daa da da d a daaa we'll keep the red flag flying here

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Flyboy

Personally speaking (and I have said this before), I think all contributors to all political parties should be citizens of the UK and domiciled in the UK.

Yet you choose berate Cameron for not sacking Ashcroft but turn a blind eye to Brown's inaction over his trusty band of non-doms....

Just for the record WRT to Ashcroft it's not hard for me to comment at all and I thought I had. He may well have lied to Hague - I don't know what they discussed and who said what to whom but if he did deliberately mislead anyone, then shame on him. How's that?

However, Ashcroft and the Tories don't enjoy power in parliament and until they do, forgive me for caring rather more about the myriad of wrongdoings of the party of hypocrites who are in power, who've spent the last 13 years telling one lie after another and even took us to war on the basis of falsehoods!

[Hugh]

Originally Posted by Flyboy

Personally speaking (and I have said this before), I think all contributors to all political parties should be citizens of the UK and domiciled in the UK.

And I agree (and have agreed before) with you on that.

[Osem]

Just remind us all again - who was it who decided to shelve the proposals for legislation which would've put an end to non domiciled donors funding political parties??....

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/au...nding-election

Labour quietly postpones law banning non-doms from funding political parties

Oh yes, that's right, it was the party of self-serving, hyprocrites - now I wonder why they did that.....

[Chris]

Originally Posted by Flyboy

Personally speaking (and I have said this before), I think all contributors to all political parties should be citizens of the UK and domiciled in the UK.

Acknowledged. Nevertheless, you did start a thread focusing specifically on Ashcroft's tax status.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Chris

Acknowledged. Nevertheless, you did start a thread focusing specifically on Ashcroft's tax status.

...and still, so far as I'm aware, hasn't stated that Brown should take any action against the non-dom Lord Paul such as refusing his donations to the party or requiring him to change his status.

No, his demand for blood now seems to be based entirely on the assertion that Aschroft misled his Tory chums about his status and therefore Cameron should sack him for telling porkies. He states that non-doms shouldn't be able to fund political parties, yet where are his demands for the party in power to actually do something about it or even justify shelving changes in the law which would have precluded Paul, Ashcroft and all the others from so doing?

It wasn't long ago that New Labour supporters were telling us how wrong it was for Ashcroft to wield such influence yet legally avoid paying UK tax on large portions of his earnings, thereby depriving the Exchequer of much needed £££££s to be spent on schools, the NHS etc.. I'm not hearing that line so much now.... Funny how things change isn't it?...

[Flyboy]

Originally Posted by Chris

Acknowledged. Nevertheless, you did start a thread focusing specifically on Ashcroft's tax status.

It is not just JUST tax status though is it? It is the influence he has on the Tory party, his funding of marginal seats and the fact that he lied to the Tory leadership. Surely everyone can see the wrong in that, can't they?

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Originally Posted by Osem

...and still, so far as I'm aware, hasn't stated that Brown should take any action against the non-dom Lord Paul such as refusing his donations to the party or requiring him to change his status.

No, his demand for blood now seems to be based entirely on the assertion that Aschroft misled his Tory chums about his status and therefore Cameron should sack him for telling porkies. He states that non-doms shouldn't be able to fund political parties, yet where are his demands for the party in power to actually do something about it or even justify shelving changes in the law which would have precluded Paul, Ashcroft and all the others from so doing?

It wasn't long ago that New Labour supporters were telling us how wrong it was for Ashcroft to wield such influence yet legally avoid paying UK tax on large portions of his earnings, thereby depriving the Exchequer of much needed £££££s to be spent on schools, the NHS etc.. I'm not hearing that line so much now.... Funny how things change isn't it?...

As this thread is about Ashcroft, do you or do you not agree that his lies were wrong.

Oops, sorry I forgot, you haven't even acknowledged that he lied.

[Chris]

Originally Posted by Flyboy

It is not just JUST tax status though is it? It is the influence he has on the Tory party, his funding of marginal seats and the fact that he lied to the Tory leadership. Surely everyone can see the wrong in that, can't they?

They can - but I think to most people, a turd is a turd. Whatever shade it is, it stinks and you wouldn't want it on your carpet.

[Flyboy]

Originally Posted by Chris

They can - but I think to most people, a turd is a turd. Whatever shade it is, it stinks and you wouldn't want it on your carpet.

Not everyone, apparently.

[Chris]

Well, not the Labour party or its supporters. Not this week, anyway.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Flyboy

It is not just JUST tax status though is it? It is the influence he has on the Tory party, his funding of marginal seats and the fact that he lied to the Tory leadership. Surely everyone can see the wrong in that, can't they?

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As this thread is about Ashcroft, do you or do you not agree that his lies were wrong.

Oops, sorry I forgot, you haven't even acknowledged that he lied.

I've gone a lot further than you ever have when it comes to condemning any wrongdoing on your side of the divide. I've stated clearly that if he lied/deliberately misled anyone that was shameful. Given that I'm still not privy to exactly what he said to whom (and vice versa), I really can't do more than that can I?? Unless of course you want me to treat him as guilty until proved innocent - something you seem very concerned about when it suits you.....

We have a plethora of examples of New Labour lies on a magnitude which truly dwarf anything you claim Ashcroft's done and you've nothing to say about them. Yet you find the time to start a thread about a guy who isn't in power and is accused of telling a few porkies to his mates. You turn a blind eye to the donations and influence of New Labour's non-doms, Mandelson's past and all those well documented examples of their interpretation of being 'whiter than white', yet demand Cameron sack Ashcroft. Now you're again banging on about what Ashcroft's money's been spent on. Has the money been spent illegally then? I dare say all that non-dom funding given to the party which is in power has been spent on keyboards and other office sundries for No.10 and not a penny towards winning the next election...

I note you still can't bring yourself to comment on why it was that Brown decided to drop the changes in the rules re. non-doms. If it'd been a government of a different hue which had done it we'd never have heard the end of it would we. That says it all really - you like asking questions but hate answering them just like Gordon Brown.

We've had 13 years of lies, spin and ineptitude in the heart of government on a grand scale and you're silent about it. You clearly feel we should opt for more of the same at the next election and you've been challenged several times now to start a thread setting out new Labour's success stories and educating us why we should vote for them. We're still all waiting for that.....

If this is the best you can on behalf of a 'government' that's been in power for well over a decade and hasn't done anything wrong it's really not very good. It is, however, typical New Labour methodology refined over the last 13 years during which they've become experts at discrediting those who dare to oppose them in order to draw attention away from their lies, mistakes and abject failure.

Details of the emails between the Brown adviser Damian McBride and the Labour blogger Derek Draper

The sound of New Labour supporters claiming 'foul' when it comes to standards of morality, integrity and decency within parliament really does take the biscuit when it comes to hypocrisy.

[Taf]

No representation without taxation!

[nomadking]

Wouldn't that mean excluding the unemployed from voting?