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Old 02-03-2010, 22:21   #76
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Re: Will we ever get to the truth about Ashcroft's tax status
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just me disagreeing with unions donating to the labour party ,should be illegal ,something i feel very strong about

individuals can no problem it's their choice ,but when some militant numpty with a power complex decides what members money should be spent on for them i get a tad irate
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I don't see why the unions' donations are relevant here. It is not the unions who are donating the money, it is the members.
If it should be illegal for unions to donate money to a political party, then it should be illegal for all single interest groups to donate money. Or is it that they donate money to the Labour party?
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Re: Will we ever get to the truth about Ashcroft's tax status
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Yep, every single member of the union decides the best use of their money is to be given to Labour.
Just a point to note a union member can opt out of the political levy if they so wish,certainly the union i am in will furnish a form for you to do so.
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Old 02-03-2010, 22:28   #78
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I don't see why the unions' donations are relevant here. It is not the unions who are donating the money, it is the members.
Do the unions have any say in the polices of Labour or in the choice of there leader ??
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Old 02-03-2010, 22:28   #79
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Aaaw, Richard....you went and spilled the beans.
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If it should be illegal for unions to donate money to a political party, then it should be illegal for all single interest groups to donate money. Or is it that they donate money to the Labour party?
I have left the cwu because i did not want my subscriptions used to fund the labour party.
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Do the unions have any say in the polices of Labour or in the choice of there leader ??
Only to the extent of what their members tell them to do.

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I left the cwu because i did not want my subscriptions used to fund the labour party.
But you didn't have to leave the union to do that. So, I suspect you either didn't really leave the union, or that you left for a different reason.
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yes that's right ,in response to it is the members ,i said whether they want to or not ,hinting at the lack of choice for union members

do try to keep up

and since you raise the subject a single interest group would have members only interested in a single purpose so no problem ,but i wouldn't call a trade union a single interest group ,it's members can follow any political offiliation
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Old 02-03-2010, 22:31   #83
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Just a point to note a union member can opt out of the political levy if they so wish,certainly the union i am in will furnish a form for you to do so.
Unfortunatly i could not trust the CWU to do that.
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Re: Will we ever get to the truth about Ashcroft's tax status
The Unions are allowed to kick you out if you don't agree with their aims/beliefs.

How do you think that the Trade Union would treat you, if you didn't donate to the Labour Party?
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Unfortunatly i could not trust the CWU to do that.
Oh come on, are you seriously trying to tell us that your thirty pence a week was in danger of being passed on to the Labour party? Do you think that they would reduce your dues and segregate the remaining amount, just so they could levy your subscription to the Labour party. I think you need a new tinfoil hat, the one you are using is starting wear out.

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The Unions are allowed to kick you out if you don't agree with their aims/beliefs.

How do you think that the Trade Union would treat you, if you didn't donate to the Labour Party?
I have not heard of a union singling out members, who have opted out of the political levy, for special treatment. I don't suppose you have any examples you could show us, do you?
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Only to the extent of what their members tell them to do.

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But you didn't have to leave the union to do that. So, I suspect you either didn't really leave the union, or that you left for a different reason.
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Yet if the unions of today are a shadow of what they once were, their influence in the Labour party remains in some key respects greater than ever. Today's union leaders are not the household figures that Jones and his contemporaries were. But a core of five powerful union bosses today – Unite's Tony Woodley and Derek Simpson, Unison's Dave Prentis, the GMB's Paul Kenny and Usdaw's John Hannett – continue to bankroll the party and to deploy immense influence in its leadership elections. Their influence is widely underestimated – except by those who are set on capturing the party after its expected general election defeat.

Between them, these five donated more than £8m of the £9.2m that the unions as a whole donated to Labour last year. When the general election comes, it is to them that Labour will turn again with offers of favours in return for money. While they are weaker than ever in the world at large, the unions also retain a constitutional centrality in the election of Labour's leader. Today Labour has only 2.6 million affiliated union members against more than 6 million in the 1980s. But they still *command a third of the electoral college which chooses Labour's leader as if their former power was undiminished.
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Seems to me if they have that sort of power then there funding is of merit and should be considered.
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Re: Will we ever get to the truth about Ashcroft's tax status
There have been cases of people being kicked out because they expressly didn't support the Labour Party.

How would anyone really be sure that they were getting the full support from the union. Has any non-Labour supporter made it anywhere within the union organisation?

They sponsor individual MPs(Labour of course). What do they expect in return for that support?
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Oh come on, are you seriously trying to tell us that your thirty pence a week was in danger of being passed on to the Labour party? Do you think that they would reduce your dues and segregate the remaining amount, just so they could levy your subscription to the Labour party. I think you need a new tinfoil hat, the one you are using is starting wear out.[COLOR="Silver"]
No i just do not want ANY amount of my money to be used by the Labour party its as simple as that. No tin foil hat needed to work that out, There again you only see what you want to see and hear what you want to hear. http://eclectech.co.uk/mindcontrol.php
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[QUOTE=Flyboy;34973584]Oh come on, are you seriously trying to tell us that your thirty pence a week was in danger of being passed on to the Labour party? Do you think that they would reduce your dues and segregate the remaining amount, just so they could levy your subscription to the Labour party. I think you need a new tinfoil hat, the one you are using is starting wear out.




actually the levy is ADDED to the normal dues and a member has to opt in if he wants to pay them ,my argument is that i don't trust unions to ONLY use the EXTRA levy for donations
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You may find this of interest, then...
Some good info there, thanks.

I see that the Sainsbury family have both sides covered they donate millions to Labour and the Conservatives every year.

A total of £13,486,964.00 from mid 2004 up to the end of 2009. So that's why they were made Lords?
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