Police dogs die in car during heatwave

[Derek]

Originally Posted by Gary L

there's no mitigating circumstances

You didn't mention before that you were there and know exactly what occurred at the time and know for a fact there are no mitigating circumstances.

I hope you've given your insight to the RSPCA as an official witness.

Does anyone for a second think the dog handler wanted the dogs to die? Does anyone have the remotest inkling he intended to cause them harm?

Considering people who actively cause dogs to die don't get pokey I wouldn't be pre-booking a jail cell for him right now.

http://www.paisleydailyexpress.co.uk...7085-21265328/

A HEARTLESS dog owner who cruelly starved her pet to death will have to do community service
Andrea Smiley was banned from keeping animals for life and ordered to carry out 240 hours unpaid work in the community after she pleaded guilty to causing her pet dog Snowy unnecessary suffering by failing to provide adequate food and water.

Originally Posted by Derek S

You didn't mention before that you were there and know exactly what occurred at the time and know for a fact there are no mitigating circumstances.

I hope you've given your insight to the RSPCA as an official witness.

Does anyone for a second think the dog handler wanted the dogs to die? Does anyone have the remotest inkling he intended to cause them harm?

Considering people who actively cause dogs to die don't get pokey I wouldn't be pre-booking a jail cell for him right now.

http://www.paisleydailyexpress.co.uk...7085-21265328/

What do you think should be done Derek? the guy was negligent whether it was accidental or not. He did leave the dogs in the car and they did die irrelevant as to why.

Now if a commanding officer ordered him to stay when he realised he would be there longer than he expected then in all fairness he has an excuse. If one didnt he doesnt imo

Ignorance is not an excuse by the way and him maybe thinking they will be ok does not cut the mustard as I am sure most people even none dog owners know the score it is spoken about quite regularly.

Do threads like this make you feel uncomfortable Derek? The public do put the police under the microscope but at the end of the day anyone joining the police should realise they are putting them forward as protectors of the public and we as the public do want a policeforce we can fully trust

[Derek]

It doesn't make me uncomfortable. It does annoy me that some people have appointed themselves and judge and jury and are already building a set of gallows for use if he is found guilty.

Some people on here make out as though the handler didn't care a jot about what happened to his dogs and that annoys me more than any scrutiny the Police may come under.

Originally Posted by Derek S

It doesn't make me uncomfortable. It does annoy me that some people have appointed themselves and judge and jury and are already building a set of gallows for use if he is found guilty.

Some people on here make out as though the handler didn't care a jot about what happened to his dogs and that annoys me more than any scrutiny the Police may come under.

Can you honestly tell me in your line of work you do not pre judge a perp? can you tell me when you make an arrest you do not judge the person you are arresting in favour of allowing the courts to do it?

I personally do not think this guy shoudl go to prison unless he was meandering at the station and therefore neglecting his duties. We will see what the courts do. I do not think he should be allowed to be a dog handler anymore and perhaps given a nice bicycle to ride round a council estate lol

[Derek]

Originally Posted by zing

Can you honestly tell me in your line of work you do not pre judge a perp? can you tell me when you make an arrest you do not judge the person you are arresting in favour of allowing the courts to do it?

I don't get to dish out punishment though. And the criminal law system is different up here, there is no arrest on suspicion, you need enough evidence to charge someone before you think about arresting them.

Originally Posted by zing

I do not think he should be allowed to be a dog handler anymore and perhaps given a nice bicycle to ride round a council estate lol

I don't think he'll be a dog handler again regardless of the outcome of the trial and disciplinary panel.

Originally Posted by Derek S

I don't get to dish out punishment though. And the criminal law system is different up here, there is no arrest on suspicion, you need enough evidence to charge someone before you think about arresting them.


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as far as I am aware no one here does either

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Derek S

Does anyone for a second think the dog handler wanted the dogs to die? Does anyone have the remotest inkling he intended to cause them harm?

All dogs that die from being left in a boiling hot car weren't a result of the owner doing it intentionally.

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Originally Posted by Derek S

It doesn't make me uncomfortable. It does annoy me that some people have appointed themselves and judge and jury and are already building a set of gallows for use if he is found guilty.

Some people on here make out as though the handler didn't care a jot about what happened to his dogs and that annoys me more than any scrutiny the Police may come under.

It always has to be us against them

[Derek]

Originally Posted by zing

as far as I am aware no one here does either

*cough*

Anyway back to something resembling the topic for a moment.

Sentencing is a matter for the courts via the governments moderately ridiculous sentencing guidelines. Having a quick squinty through them means he'll (I'll assume) have no relevant pre-cons. It will be counted against him having a position of responsibility. There may be mitigating circumstances that will come out later.

I would doubt he'll get the maximum sentence. In fact if he does I'll be amazed.

Originally Posted by Derek S

It doesn't make me uncomfortable. It does annoy me that some people have appointed themselves and judge and jury and are already building a set of gallows for use if he is found guilty.

The police have become politicised in recent years, and they are losing the respect of even members of the public who don't appoint themselves judge and jury, as a result. They set themselves up in judgement over the rest of us, so maybe this is a little payback. It's not fair, but I think it's an understandable reaction and most people hate to see an animal suffer through negligence (or cruelty).

Some people on here make out as though the handler didn't care a jot about what happened to his dogs and that annoys me more than any scrutiny the Police may come under.

I'm sure he cared about the dogs, but apparently he didn't care quite enough. Forgetting them, especially as he was off duty, was inexcusable. I wouldn't rule out mitigating circumstances, but wonder what could possibly excuse his behaviour. I bet he wishes he could go back in time.

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by freezin

I'm sure he cared about the dogs, but apparently he didn't care quite enough. Forgetting them, especially as he was off duty, was inexcusable. I wouldn't rule out mitigating circumstances, but wonder what could possibly excuse his behaviour. I bet he wishes he could go back in time.

There's a story of a police dog dying from the heat in Louisiana.
over there killing or harming a police dog is the same charge as killing or harming an officer. in the case of the dog it's his partner.

http://www.nola.com/news/index.ssf/2...g_left_in.html

[frogstamper]

Originally Posted by Gary L

There's a story of a police dog dying from the heat in Louisiana.
over there killing or harming a police dog is the same charge as killing or harming an officer. in the case of the dog it's his partner.

http://www.nola.com/news/index.ssf/2...g_left_in.html

A slight mistake there Gary, upon checking the link it say, "Intentionally injuring or killing a police animal is a crime punishable under Louisiana law with a minimum of one year jail time."
It did sound a bit extreme, even for a southern state like Louisiana, to send a man to the electric chair for shooting officer poochie.

[martyh]

update

A judge has launched a scathing attack on police after a dog handler was found guilty of accidentally killing his two dogs by leaving them in the back of a sweltering car.

The officer was given a six-month conditional discharge and ordered to pay £2,500 costs.

It seems there was a lot more to this story than first apeared