Police dogs die in car during heatwave - Page 4

STONEISLAND · 03-07-2009, 11:46

Still cannot believe he's not be suspended.

CHiLL · 03-07-2009, 11:59

He should be treated like any other person. But no, because he's an officer of the law, he's above all that. This country is a ****ing joke.

xpod · 03-07-2009, 12:02

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Still cannot believe he's not be suspended.

The police officer(offender?) in question has an interview with the RSPCA next week so they may well wait to see what the outcome of that is.

**Hugh** · 03-07-2009, 12:12

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Originally Posted by Nidge

There are no cells or anything at the Force HQ Derek, it's in the middle of a wood. Like I mentioned it's 11 mile away from the centre of Nottingham and 11 miles from Mansfield the biggest town in the East Midlands. Lets hope he gets what is coming to him.

I bow to your local knowledge about there being no cells at the HQ, but aren't Arnold and Hucknall (both of which have a population of over 30k) only about a mile away?

btw, if the dog handler has been negligent, he should be prosecuted.

**Derek** · 03-07-2009, 12:19

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Originally Posted by STONEISLAND

Still cannot believe he's not be suspended.

He's on leave just now as I imagine he'll be as devastated as anyone else over this.

I'm not sure what purpose suspension would serve.

He won't do it again, to be blunt dogs can only die once. He isn't a danger to the public or likely to be involved in corruption etc. which is why a cop would normally be suspended.

If suspended it would be on full pay so its not as if people can even say he is profiting from the incident.

Will21st · 03-07-2009, 12:36

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Originally Posted by Derek S

He may still have been called in to pick something up, it happens from time to time. That said if it was just a jolly and he went in for a chat then he will get whats coming to him.

I'll bow to your greater local knowledge. I don't know if there are any cells or interview rooms in the building.
As I said it was just a possible scenario.

Yep. If he has been negligent then that needs addresses, no need to call for the maximum sentence before the facts are known though.

Derek,why do you feel the need to justify,well,yourself really....? You haven't done anything wrong!

It seems a few people here vent their frustration about the law through you.Let them be,I think the police get far too little support and are either held accountable or are undermined by politicians,and all too often,the general public.Yes ,relations between the cops and the public are somewhat strained,but that's due to stupid laws,target culture and maybe Chief Constables too eager to please their political paymasters,imho.

Anyway,if the PO did wrong,then he should be (appropriately) punished,if not,then not.
Just wanted to show some support here for a bloody hard job that very few people appreciate and that gets far too little recognition.

punky · 03-07-2009, 12:47

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Originally Posted by Will21st

Derek,why do you feel the need to justify,well,yourself really....? You haven't done anything wrong!

It seems a few people here vent their frustration about the law through you.Let them be,I think the police get far too little support and are either held accountable or are undermined by politicians,and all too often,the general public.Yes ,relations between the cops and the public are somewhat strained,but that's due to stupid laws,target culture and maybe Chief Constables too eager to please their political paymasters,imho.

Anyway,if the PO did wrong,then he should be (appropriately) punished,if not,then not.
Just wanted to show some support here for a bloody hard job that very few people appreciate and that gets far too little recognition.

Excellent post

**Hugh** · 03-07-2009, 12:50

What punky said

TheDaddy · 03-07-2009, 17:33

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Originally Posted by xpod

The police officer(offender?) in question has an interview with the RSPCA next week so they may well wait to see what the outcome of that is.

An interview with the RSPCA lol did those powers in the Bill of a couple of years back actually mean anything then, I mean we all know they are fond of breaking the law themselves and reading out little cautions to people like they ment something or is it an interview for a job with them, given his record he may well fit right in with that organisation.

**Derek** · 03-07-2009, 19:29

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy

An interview with the RSPCA lol did those powers in the Bill of a couple of years back actually mean anything then, I mean we all know they are fond of breaking the law themselves and reading out little cautions to people like they ment something or is it an interview for a job with them, given his record he may well fit right in with that organisation.

Eh?

martyh · 03-07-2009, 19:58

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy

An interview with the RSPCA lol did those powers in the Bill of a couple of years back actually mean anything then, I mean we all know they are fond of breaking the law themselves and reading out little cautions to people like they ment something or is it an interview for a job with them, given his record he may well fit right in with that organisation.

doesn't make any sense to me at all

TheDaddy · 04-07-2009, 02:13

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Originally Posted by Derek S

Eh?

It means I am not a fan, it's a shame people don't know what goes on day to day, the amount of cases they have thrown out of court due to false prosecutions, witch hunts and political agendas, the routine law breaking by intimidation and trespassing their 'officers' commit every day, a fact born out by the charity's chief ex's recent C4 interview when asked about his peoples constant abuse of the laws of trespass, he replied 'well, we aren't supposed to do it but it never stops us' and finally the amount of perfectly healthy animals they put down every day, some for no other reason than 'officer' training.

Seems to me a charity with perfectly lord able ideals has been corrupted, if the public knew a lot of what they get up to I am sure they wouldn't be quite so keen to support them.

Note: I have no personal experience with them and no particular axe to grind however a couple of years back I was watching a documentary on them and one of their 'officers' read a seemingly formal caution to a obviously mentally ill woman, she then said 'don't worry you aren't under arrest' I though no of course she isn't, your not a copper, it annoyed me so I did some research and found some stuff out that disgusted me tbh.

04-07-2009, 04:08

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Originally Posted by Will21st

Derek,why do you feel the need to justify,well,yourself really....? You haven't done anything wrong!

It seems a few people here vent their frustration about the law through you.Let them be,I think the police get far too little support and are either held accountable or are undermined by politicians,and all too often,the general public.Yes ,relations between the cops and the public are somewhat strained,but that's due to stupid laws,target culture and maybe Chief Constables too eager to please their political paymasters,imho.

Anyway,if the PO did wrong,then he should be (appropriately) punished,if not,then not.
Just wanted to show some support here for a bloody hard job that very few people appreciate and that gets far too little recognition.

That's the biggest load of tosh I've read in all my life, the officer did wrong by leaving his dogs in the car in swealtering heat, HE killed the 2 dogs no one else so, he deserves to have the book thrown at him.

rogerdraig · 04-07-2009, 13:49

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy

An interview with the RSPCA lol did those powers in the Bill of a couple of years back actually mean anything then, I mean we all know they are fond of breaking the law themselves and reading out little cautions to people like they ment something or is it an interview for a job with them, given his record he may well fit right in with that organisation.

i am not a complete fan of the RSPCA myself for some of the ways they put animals down but they are getting better

but to complain about them taking action which includes trespass sometimes (which the person trespassed against could take to court if they can show they suffered loss or damage) is being a little unfair

i have seen lots of animals that have been mistreated and the only thing that saved them was intervention by an officer gaining access against the wishes of the owner

I have here a cat that the previous owner of ( now successfully prosecuted ) decided that an abbess the size of a golf ball on his spine at the back of his body was ok to leave get better by itself even after it burst and had maggots in it !

Do you really think that if they had gone away got a court order or got the police there that the cat they tried to hide in a cupboard would still be there or even alive by the time they got back or would most sensible people here have them selves taken it and gone with it to the vet ?

despite my qualms about the sometime healthy animals they put down ( though they wouldn't need to if more came to pound and got them rather than buying from puppy farms ( which should be shut down ( whole other thread lol

) and or the fact i think they should offer free spaying (yet another thread lol )

I think the RSPCA will if there is need prosecute the officer and maybe the force

but as of yet we don't know the full facts of what happened

and from what i have heard ( not naming sources

) the biggest improvement that can come from this is that all forces should let their dog handlers keep vans and have spare one ( or at least hire them ) when a vehicle is off the road for what ever reason there should never be a need for these dogs to be in a private car not just because of the risk to them but also because of what they are which is not pets !

**Derek** · 04-07-2009, 13:59

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Originally Posted by rogermevans

and from what i have heard ( not naming sources

) the biggest improvement that can come from this is that all forces should let their dog handlers keep vans and have spare one ( or at least hire them ) when a vehicle is off the road for what ever reason there should never be a need for these dogs to be in a private car not just because of the risk to them but also because of what they are which is not pets !

The costs involved would probably be prohibitive for that. If forces operate a 4 or 5 shift system to give 24 hour coverage they would need to quadruple the amount of dog vans they have so every handler could have one.

There is also the issue of having marked Police vehicles sitting outside private property. Maybe not an issue in the sticks where everyone knows each other but in larger towns it sometimes isn't advisable to advertise to all and sundry what you do for a living.