[Updated] BNP Leader Nick Griffin wins North West MEP seat.

Originally Posted by bopdude

I don't have the figures Gaz, you know me, I'm easy going, but a stand has to be made on some things and some where, maybe this is the beginning of the end or just the beginning, either way, the vote is in, strap in and enjoy the ride.

bop, I don't disagree changes need making, but I do know that the BNP are not the best way to do it - you lived in South Africa, did you only speak to the white guys in the shebeen?

[Mr Angry]

Originally Posted by bopdude

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I did - and "asummabley" sounds like some second rate degenerate faux pas that even the most recent immigrant wouldn't come off with.

[Matt D]

Originally Posted by bopdude

Certainly looks like it in parts of Yorkshire, and I stress parts of, and not everyone, but the British public are getting sick and tired of being treat like 2nd class citizens in their own country, having to bow down to the PC brigade, having to get down on bended knee for assistance, where immigrants are getting benefits thrown at them, it is a joke, and it's looking like some parts of the British voting public are making a stand, don't get me wrong, I'm not racist, xenophobic or other, we have the right to vote for who we please, that's democracy, like it, hate it, live with it..... majority rules.

Well, it's a rather bloody stupid & misguided stand IMO. At best.

If people are sick of immigration, and/or sick of the EU, then there's UKIP. Hell, or even the English Democrats.

But the BNP... they are a racist party. They do not "just" want rid of immigrants, they specifically want rid of non-whites, including non-white Britons. As far as the BNP are concerned, non-white Britons do not exist, they are just other "immigrants", they are just "racial foreigners", and they should be "repatriated" to their "lands of ethnic origin".

They also have...issues...with mixed-race marriage, and homosexuality.

They are a nasty party. A whites-only party, which wants a whites-only UK. A party with views such as this. A party whose leader was convicted of inciting racial hatred, a leader who denied the Holocaust, a leader who has attended a conference with Don Black (ex-KKK leader & head of Stormfront) & David Duke (another former KKK leader). A party which would put someone up for election to the London Assembly with disgusting views about rape (his candidacy was withdrawn after the press got wind of it). A party which has an aide at the GLA who attended a conference with European neo-fascists. A party which has members & candidates for election such as these. A party with members with a rather nasty criminal history (and also here, and here).

And so on...........................

I'm going to copy & paste something else I wrote in the earlier election thread, rather than re-write the same stuff.

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/34804877-post34.html

Originally Posted by Matt D

Just as people have the freedom to vote for whichever party they want to, including the racist BNP, we also have the right to freedom of speech and expression. I will continue exercising that right by pointing out how the BNP are racist, and how voting for them is support of racism.

If someone agrees with the BNP's racist policies (which are its main policies, its primary purpose), then they themselves are a racist.

If someone agrees with the BNP's other policies, the more acceptable vote-pandering ones, & votes for them because of that, then they are supporting racism. Even if they don't agree with the BNP's main racist policies, and are only voting for them because they think the BNP will "sort out immigration" etc., they are still supporting racism.

If someone is only voting for the BNP as a "protest", they are still supporting racism.

If someone wants to make a "protest vote", then there are plenty of other parties out there which are not racist. As Chris said earlier in the thread, "If you're disillusioned with the main parties, you have a vast choice of non-fascist, non-racist, non-scum fringe parties to choose from.".

Protest vote? Vote UKIP, vote Green, etc.

Concerned about immigration & Europe? Vote UKIP.

But don't vote BNP...


I don't see what it matters how acceptable any of the BNP's other policies may seem: their main policies, their main agenda, their main constitutional commitment, is racist.

[bopdude]

Originally Posted by homealone

bop, I don't disagree changes need making, but I do know that the BNP are not the best way to do it - you lived in South Africa, did you only speak to the white guys in the sheebeen?

No mate, some of my best mates were black South Africans, I worked, ate, drank with them, all over the place, including Soweto, I voted in the first ( free ) elections and accepted the result ( like I / we had a choice ) we got on with life. Yes there were pockets of left and right ( AWB ) and I witnessed what they could do to each other first hand, so the battle here is nothing compared to it, but, we live in a democracy, we have voted, lets get on and see what comes.

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Originally Posted by Matt D

Well, it's a rather bloody stupid & misguided stand IMO. At best.

BIG <snip>

I never said I condoned them, I know what they stand for, I said the public have voted, and that is it, no room to discuss, they are in, the public have spoken.

[punky]

Originally Posted by homealone

do you really think that voting for a BNP candidate to the European Parliament will change that?

- the Yorkshire/Humberside region is one of the least affected by 'non indigenous' population, afaik, so I can't see why (other than the recent refineries labour disputes) this area would stand out???

I mentioned my theory about this in my post the other day.

Its almost like a paradox. In areas where multiculturalism is a problem, (because of a disproptionately high "non-indigenous population"), the "indigenous population" can't get high enough percentage. However, where the "non-indigenous population" proportions are lower, then there's more of the "indigenous population" to be able to bring the BNP in even thought there is less cause to.

That's why I think the BNP get in Yorkshire/Humberside but not London where you'd think. I'm eagerly awaiting the north west result to see what happens, but really need to go to bed soon.

BTW, terms in quotation marks don't reflect my personal opinion, but stated as in accordance with common parlance.

[bopdude]

Originally Posted by Mr Angry

I did - and "asummabley" sounds like some second rate degenerate faux pas that even the most recent immigrant wouldn't come off with.

And can I have that in simple English please, me being so thick and not so well educated.

Originally Posted by bopdude

No mate, some of my best mates were black South Africans, I worked, ate, drank with them, all over the place, including Soweto, I voted in the first ( free ) elections and accepted the result ( like I / we had a choice ) we got on with life. Yes there were pockets of left and right ( AWB ) and I witnessed what they could do to each other first hand, so the battle here is nothing compared to it, but, we live in a democracy, we have voted, lets get on and see what comes.

thats what I thought - and why I asked...

tbh I don't think the vote here was 'right', but I accept what you say about dealing with it - and you are one of the few people I know who can say they have reached a conclusion based on experience, rather than simply predujice...

[bopdude]

Originally Posted by homealone

thats what I thought - and why I asked...

tbh I don't think the vote here was 'right', but I accept what you say about dealing with it - and you are one of the few people I know who can say they have reached a conclusion based on experience, rather than simply predujice...

Thanks Gaz, might not be right, ..............................but didn't they say that about giving women the vote

[frogstamper]

Originally Posted by bopdude

Then get out in the real world of the recently unemployed, house owner, bill payer, NIC paid up member of the public, and see what you get, I'll tell ya, £peanuts, and when you ask if you can get help on your mortgage, no, do all these illegals get housing? yes, food? yes, who pays? me and asummabley you.

Don't get me started.

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Funny really that at 45 years old that "apparently" I haven't been living in the real world.
At a guess judging from your post I'd say I have a few years on you, and as regards bills, mortgages bank loans and other sundries I expect you were still in nappies when I started paying them.
As regards all these benefits that immigrants get that British nationals don't maybe you could give us a few examples, that is true one's not "down the pub stories".

Originally Posted by bopdude

Thanks Gaz, might not be right, ..............................but didn't they say that about giving women the vote

don't spoil it

[die5el]

Originally Posted by frogstamper

.Where on earth you get the idea that British people have to grovel on bended knee for any assistance,

Come to where i live 3 new immigrants familys just moved in to the same street to where i live council have refurnished there propertys put new carpets/furniture through the house refitted a new bathroom and kitchen also redone the drives. i ask for help from the council its NO . Sorry if you think i am racist but fed up of being a second class citizen in my own country.

[punky]

North West coming up

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Blimey, check out the comb-over!

[bopdude]

Originally Posted by frogstamper

Funny really that at 45 years old that "apparently" I haven't been living in the real world.
At a guess judging from your post I'd say I have a few years on you, and as regards bills, mortgages bank loans and other sundries I expect you were still in nappies when I started paying them.
As regards all these benefits that immigrants get that British nationals don't maybe you could give us a few examples, that is true one's not "down the pub stories".

And why would you expect that ? as it happens I'm 44 this year, so you and your higher than thou morals can go take one, as for listing the benefits that the immigrants get, read a paper, I can't be arssed to type 'that' much.

[Mr Angry]

Originally Posted by bopdude

And can I have that in simple English please, me being so thick and not so well educated.

Certainly.

Dear Mr Dude,

Thank you for your recent rant concerning immigrants.

Unfortunately your use of the word "asummabley" would suggest to us that you are not best placed to criticise immigrants under the terms of the UK Border Agency guidelines Naturalisation As a British citizen - specifically part 7 thereof wherein it states;

"Knowledge of language and life in the UK became a requirement for settlement in 2007. If you were exempted from this requirement to obtain settlement you must pass a test or take an ESOL course before applying for naturalisation unless you are exempted on grounds of age or physical or mental impairment. If you have already satisfied the requirements to have sufficient knowledge of language and life in the UK you do not have to do it again. Simply tick the appropriate box in section 1.22 of the application form These knowledge requirements apply only to adults applying for naturalisation, including the husbands, wives and civil partners of British citizens. They do not apply to children."

We would therefore ask that you immediately make your way to the nearest port / airport and make your way back to whichever rock you crawled out from under prior to soiling our sovereign shores.

Yours sincerely

Your friend and ours

The BNP.

[Matt D]

Griffin got in