N Ireland Shooting

[SMG]

Yesterday, in post 39, I said:

"Word was out that NI would kick off again. I posted this on Datacave some months ago"

Today, it was confirmed that the Chief Constable had in fact requested more intel & SF on rumors that the real IRA was planning an attack. He had warned the Army chiefs, who took NO ACTION.

Hence my saying, regarding action by the Army "And in typical style did nothing".

Originally Posted by tweetypie/8

by the sound of him,the girl guides this dude is full of crap.

So, tweetypie, who`s the one full of crap now!

Payback, life's a bitch.


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[tweetypie/8]

Originally Posted by SMG

Yesterday, in post 39, I said:

"Word was out that NI would kick off again. I posted this on Datacave some months ago"

Today, it was confirmed that the Chief Constable had in fact requested more intel & SF on rumors that the real IRA was planning an attack. He had warned the Army chiefs, who took NO ACTION.

Hence my saying, regarding action by the Army "And in typical style did nothing".





So, tweetypie, who`s the one full of crap now!

Payback, life's a bitch.


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aint it just,still dosent alter my opinion.

[Damien]

Originally Posted by tweetypie/8

aint it just,still dosent alter my opinion.

A wrong opinion. He clearly has a lot of Experience

[tweetypie/8]

Originally Posted by nomadking

If they didn't know that they had the whole-hearted support of the Catholic community, they wouldn't bother, as that would mean that only a handful of people would want that they were trying to achieve.

Every time IRA/Sinn Fein says that others should agree to a certain thing for the sake of the 'peace process', that is an implied threat of violence if they don't comply. It's just like a mugger hitting you once and then saying that for a quiet life you should 'voluntarily' hand your cash over and then it not being treated as theft because you consented.

spoken like a true blue dup politican,is it any wonder we have our problems with remarks like that.

[Raistlin]

Keep to the topic people, continued personal sniping at each other is going to lead to infractions.

[Sirius]

Its just been confirmed on BBC news that the IRA cowards shot unarmed soldiers. Bet you those cowards would not have tried it if the soldiers had been armed.

The IRA are just as much a bunch of low life cowards now as they have always been. It will not be long before that start killing children again.

[soicky]

Originally Posted by Sirius

Bet you those cowards would not have tried it if the soldiers had been armed.

They probably would have carried on with their 'mission' and wouldn't be alive today.

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by soicky

They probably would have carried on with their 'mission' and wouldn't be alive today.

Lets just hope they get whats coming to them.

[sollp]

Originally Posted by SMG

Yesterday, in post 39, I said:

"Word was out that NI would kick off again. I posted this on Datacave some months ago"

Today, it was confirmed that the Chief Constable had in fact requested more intel & SF on rumors that the real IRA was planning an attack. He had warned the Army chiefs, who took NO ACTION.

Hence my saying, regarding action by the Army "And in typical style did nothing".





So, tweetypie, who`s the one full of crap now!

Payback, life's a bitch.


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SMG, The Army, again as you put it,"And in typical style did nothing" would if they could, do a damn site more, but unfortunately we have political masters that we have to answer to and if you knew anything about Northern Ireland as you say you do would know this.

Many things have probably happened over the years and due to politics these things have had to happen. These type of situations are very messy and not knowing the full story OR implications, sometimes the truth would not be nice to hear.

---------- Post added at 18:40 ---------- Previous post was at 18:38 ----------

Originally Posted by soicky

They probably would have carried on with their 'mission' and wouldn't be alive today.

They would have only carried out the attack if they knew there was no chance of being caught or shot, if either factor was present then no attack would have taken place.

---------- Post added at 18:44 ---------- Previous post was at 18:40 ----------

Originally Posted by nomadking

If they didn't know that they had the whole-hearted support of the Catholic community, they wouldn't bother, as that would mean that only a handful of people would want that they were trying to achieve.

Every time IRA/Sinn Fein says that others should agree to a certain thing for the sake of the 'peace process', that is an implied threat of violence if they don't comply. It's just like a mugger hitting you once and then saying that for a quiet life you should 'voluntarily' hand your cash over and then it not being treated as theft because you consented.

You don't have to have the support of the local populace to win, fear and intimidation will get the terrorist it's way. This isn't like the local thug family who lives down the road and there kids are a nuisance and people are scared the dad will come up the road for having a go at his kids, whole communitys have had to live and breath this fear whether they support it or not, or they would face beatings, kneecappings and maybe death for even showing a bit of resentment towards them.

[SMG]

Originally Posted by sollp

SMG, The Army, again as you put it,"And in typical style did nothing" would if they could, do a damn site more, but unfortunately we have political masters that we have to answer to and if you knew anything about Northern Ireland as you say you do would know this.

So, what do you think they should have done?

I certainly don`t know all there is to know about NI. Neither do I have any idea what the politicians will do either. I`ve been in the Army for a lot of years m8, & we have dropped many a bo**ock due to lack of intel, "Failure to communicate essential intelligence". The British Army`s famous for it. Ask a few ex pongo`s.

I stated the forces knew there would be trouble, I will say again, "In typical style, they did nothing about it". No extra precautions, nothing. Another bal*s up by our chiefs. If you care to check out the Royal Engineers Associations website, or AARSE, you may learn something.

I`m sure your not implying that the "Political Masters" deliberately failed to take extra precautions? Only people associated with Government Policy in NI, or part of the CRE briefings would have access to that info.

I get the scuttlebutt from the guys on the ground, family, friends, ex colleagues, & friends in NI & the Police force, nothing more. All I can state is what I hear. As this investigation gathers pace, I think we will all find a few surprises. However, one thing is certain, they knew an attack was in the pipeline, & they did nothing.

[James79]

Where do I begin???

My heartfelt sympathies go out to the families, friends and colleagues of Sappers Mark Quinsey and Patrick Azimkar. Two young men on the cusp of life and who were willing to serve their country, only to be gunned down by a group of cowards who obviously have nothing better to do with their lives than to try and drag this fine wee country back into the dark old days.

The Army Commander in NI, Brigadier George Norton was today asked why fire was not returned on Saturday night as the attack took place. He was very quick to reply, and his response wasblunt but justified. He asked the reporter why would he have guards shoot into a group of people which included five of his men!?!

Last week the Chief Constable of the PSNI (Sir Hugh Orde) confirmed that the threat from so-called dissident republicans was the highest it had been in seven years. Politicians from Sinn Fein were quick to claim that this statement was exaggerated. Mr Orde also confirmed that he has drafted in the Armed Forces Special Reconnaissance Regiment to gather information on suspected dissident republican terrorists. Again, Sinn Fein was outraged with this decision - claiming that it was a "major threat" and a "stupid and dangerous" decision. Other Nationalist parties jumped onto the proverbial band wagon and made similar claims.

I think in the light of Saturdays attack, Sir Hugh Orde's decision has been vindicated and some political parties should now be reviewing their policies of speak first, think later!

I truly hope and pray that this is the end of the story. Appeals have been going out all day to loyalist paramilitary groups that no revenge attacks take place.

Northern Ireland doesn't need to return to the past. There has been enough bloodshed in this small country - it's time to stop once and for all. Our politicians must stand shoulder to shoulder, stop the petty bickering and get on with the job of strengthening foundations of the NI Assembly.

I'll end with an email I received this evening from a friend. It reads:

We Will Remember Them

Two young British soldiers were murdered on British soil by Irish Republicans on Saturday 7th March 2009 at 9:20pm just hours before they were to deploy to Afghanistan to fight a different terrorist organisation, to protect life and maintain stability in another part of our world for another nation .

Their only crime was that they cared about a people thousands of miles from home and they paid the ultimate sacrifce here in Northern Ireland. In a land that was to be free of hatred and sectarianism, where these crimes were to be a nightmare of the past and the future was to be bright for our children from where ever they came, from any religion, from any race.


We Will Remember Them



Pass this e-mail on to your friends and families and remember these two Sappers with honour and pride so they will have not died in vain.

[SMG]

Amen.

I have posted this E Mail on The Royal Engineers website m8.

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by James79

Where do I begin???

My heartfelt sympathies go out to the families, friends and colleagues of Sappers Mark Quinsey and Patrick Azimkar. Two young men on the cusp of life and who were willing to serve their country, only to be gunned down by a group of cowards who obviously have nothing better to do with their lives than to try and drag this fine wee country back into the dark old days.

The Army Commander in NI, Brigadier George Norton was today asked why fire was not returned on Saturday night as the attack took place. He was very quick to reply, and his response wasblunt but justified. He asked the reporter why would he have guards shoot into a group of people which included five of his men!?!

Last week the Chief Constable of the PSNI (Sir Hugh Orde) confirmed that the threat from so-called dissident republicans was the highest it had been in seven years. Politicians from Sinn Fein were quick to claim that this statement was exaggerated. Mr Orde also confirmed that he has drafted in the Armed Forces Special Reconnaissance Regiment to gather information on suspected dissident republican terrorists. Again, Sinn Fein was outraged with this decision - claiming that it was a "major threat" and a "stupid and dangerous" decision. Other Nationalist parties jumped onto the proverbial band wagon and made similar claims.

I think in the light of Saturdays attack, Sir Hugh Orde's decision has been vindicated and some political parties should now be reviewing their policies of speak first, think later!

I truly hope and pray that this is the end of the story. Appeals have been going out all day to loyalist paramilitary groups that no revenge attacks take place.

Northern Ireland doesn't need to return to the past. There has been enough bloodshed in this small country - it's time to stop once and for all. Our politicians must stand shoulder to shoulder, stop the petty bickering and get on with the job of strengthening foundations of the NI Assembly.

I'll end with an email I received this evening from a friend. It reads:

Excellent post

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by James79

Where do I begin???

My heartfelt sympathies go out to the families, friends and colleagues of Sappers Mark Quinsey and Patrick Azimkar. Two young men on the cusp of life and who were willing to serve their country, only to be gunned down by a group of cowards who obviously have nothing better to do with their lives than to try and drag this fine wee country back into the dark old days.

The Army Commander in NI, Brigadier George Norton was today asked why fire was not returned on Saturday night as the attack took place. He was very quick to reply, and his response wasblunt but justified. He asked the reporter why would he have guards shoot into a group of people which included five of his men!?!

Last week the Chief Constable of the PSNI (Sir Hugh Orde) confirmed that the threat from so-called dissident republicans was the highest it had been in seven years. Politicians from Sinn Fein were quick to claim that this statement was exaggerated. Mr Orde also confirmed that he has drafted in the Armed Forces Special Reconnaissance Regiment to gather information on suspected dissident republican terrorists. Again, Sinn Fein was outraged with this decision - claiming that it was a "major threat" and a "stupid and dangerous" decision. Other Nationalist parties jumped onto the proverbial band wagon and made similar claims.

I think in the light of Saturdays attack, Sir Hugh Orde's decision has been vindicated and some political parties should now be reviewing their policies of speak first, think later!

I truly hope and pray that this is the end of the story. Appeals have been going out all day to loyalist paramilitary groups that no revenge attacks take place.

Northern Ireland doesn't need to return to the past. There has been enough bloodshed in this small country - it's time to stop once and for all. Our politicians must stand shoulder to shoulder, stop the petty bickering and get on with the job of strengthening foundations of the NI Assembly.

I'll end with an email I received this evening from a friend. It reads:

an excellent post, a sad day for NI i hope it stops here ,lets not let the terrorists win. i hope the good people in the area will help the authorities bring these murderers to justice,and other factions will stay out of this .

This really is a nightmare lets hope the following stays small and gets quashed quickly.