Children will not be able to start school 'without MMR jabs'

Ramrod · 11-05-2008, 15:09

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Health experts reacted angrily to the proposal, with the head of the British Medical Association said it was "Stalinist" and counter-productive.

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foreverwar · 11-05-2008, 15:50

Daily Hate scare story (whoda thunk).

The woman mentioned is putting together an article for the Fabian Review, a left-wing think tank's magazine - no intimation at all that NuLabour have even begun to consider thinking about planning this.

homealone · 11-05-2008, 15:51

Interesting, while I appreciate the value of vaccination - the virtual eradication of Polio is a case in point - I also remember as kids we used to be deliberately exposed to things like chicken pox, to build immunity that way.

I don't think children should be excluded from school on the basis of not being vaccinated, though - vaccination should remain voluntary otherwise where do we draw the line? "Sorry you can't get an education because you haven't had Yellow Fever or Hepatitis jabs" ???

**David F** · 11-05-2008, 15:55

I thought any risks to the jabs have now been discredited? so I seriously do not know why any parent would not have their children inoculated anyway. Measles can kill

Anonymouse · 11-05-2008, 16:31

Maybe parents should start doing what the Americans do - have parties for kids who've caught, e.g., chickenpox, so they can spread it around. The theory's quite sound; it's generally agreed that the earlier you catch the routine childhood diseases and thus acquire immunity to them, the better.

I should know - I waited until I was 21 to catch chickenpox from who knows where...except that for an adult it's shingles, a.k.a. hell on earth. I still have the scars. I didn't even know I had them at first until my mum asked, as I was putting on a shirt, "What are those spots on your chest?"
"What spots?" says I, and I look down and freak out merrily. "AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHH!!!!!"

You might think I was a tad distressed. on seeing red spots that made me look like something out of Tom & Jerry You'd be right.

I got one in my throat. Talk about having an itch you can't scratch (and you can't scratch 'em anyway, because that makes 'em worse. But you want to. Dear God, you want to...).
For three weeks I couldn't wear anything heavier than a dressing gown, as the damn things chafed somethin' awful. But the baffling thing is that I'm sure chickenpox did the rounds at my primary school; I don't know how I didn't get it then. I wish I had. The horror...the horror...

I did get measles, though.

Ramrod · 11-05-2008, 16:38

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Originally Posted by foreverwar

Daily Hate scare story (whoda thunk).

The woman mentioned is putting together an article for the Fabian Review, a left-wing think tank's magazine - no intimation at all that NuLabour have even begun to consider thinking about planning this.

So you are saying the story isn't true....?

foreverwar · 11-05-2008, 16:45

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Originally Posted by Ramrod

So you are saying the story isn't true....?

No, I am saying the headline plays games with words.

The headline states "according to controversial Labour plan", which implies that it is official Labour/Government policy, thus leading readers to believe that the current Government will implement this (and the headline says "will not be able to start school", not "may not"), when in fact a MP of the Labour Party is putting together an article for a left-wing think-tank's quarterly review mooting the idea.

If a doctor sends an article to the Lancet suggesting that the BMA should look at the legality of euthanasia in certain circumstances, I don't take that to mean that the BMA and all doctors support all forms of euthanasia (but the Mail might

).

**Jefferson T** · 11-05-2008, 17:56

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Originally Posted by zinglebarb

I thought any risks to the jabs have now been discredited? so I seriously do not know why any parent would not have their children inoculated anyway. Measles can kill

I really wish I hadn't had Peter vaccinated now.

Still it's too late for that

soup dragon · 11-05-2008, 18:36

my 1st child had the initial mmr jab, but not the booster, my second child we paid for single inoculations rather than the triple vaccine and we traveled 160mile round trip to do it!!

my nephew who is 22mths has had the mmr vaccine but has just had German measles(rubella)!! and chicken pox at the same time!

parents should be allowed the choice of single vaccines

**David F** · 11-05-2008, 19:32

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Originally Posted by Jefferson T

I really wish I hadn't had Peter vaccinated now.

Still it's too late for that

why dude?

**Jefferson T** · 11-05-2008, 20:06

Let's just say from what happened to him which seemed to be a result of it I wouldn't wish it on anyone.

Ramrod · 11-05-2008, 20:22

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Originally Posted by foreverwar

No, I am saying the headline plays games with words.

true

frogstamper · 11-05-2008, 20:24

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Originally Posted by foreverwar

Daily Hate scare story (whoda thunk).

The woman mentioned is putting together an article for the Fabian Review, a left-wing think tank's magazine - no intimation at all that NuLabour have even begun to consider thinking about planning this.

What do you expect from the Mail, they specialise in these headline grabbing stories, its like the "dropped apple core" story, if you don't read the entire article you walk away thinking another disaster courtesy of new Labour, standard Mail scare tactics.

Mr_love_monkey · 11-05-2008, 21:30

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Originally Posted by zinglebarb

I thought any risks to the jabs have now been discredited? so I seriously do not know why any parent would not have their children inoculated anyway. Measles can kill

There's still a very large number of people (including some scientists) that believe that inoculations can cause autism, due to the use of Thimerisol which contains mercury.

Ramrod · 11-05-2008, 22:30

Hmmm.....July 1990-April 1994 (USA) 5799 adverse reactions following MMR (reported to the US Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System).
Of these 3063 needed emergency medical treatment, 616 hospitalizations, 54 left disabled and 30 deaths.
The national vaccine information center believes that due to massive under reporting, these figures represent 10-15% of the true number of cases...
I don't know what the figures would be if kids weren't immunized but I do know that the US has about 98% MMR takeup and still gets measles epidemics at 3-4 year intervals....
(Taken from a 'what doctors don't tell you' publication.)