Christians told to treat atheists and agnostics with "deep esteem" - Page 8

**David F** · 09-05-2008, 00:01

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Originally Posted by Xaccers

Nothing wrong with encouraging religious people to show respect to non-religious people, goodness knows over the years there's been very little shown, but he then went on to make (and I do not believe it even crossed his mind that it would be) a patronising remark.

As I said before, if I told you that I'm going to send my imaginary friend Drop-dead-fred round to give you moral support throughout your lifetime, would you think that I actually give much of a damn about you?

I would laugh and that is the extent of the emotional responce you would get.I think a few of ya are making a big deal over nothing

time to chill and its about time for bed I gotta go the gym in the morning maybe Fred can spot me

kirk1690 · 09-05-2008, 00:01

[Admin Edit(Mick):- Inappropriate remark deleted]

**Russ B** · 09-05-2008, 00:05

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Originally Posted by Xaccers

As I said before, if I told you that I'm going to send my imaginary friend Drop-dead-fred round to give you moral support throughout your lifetime, would you think that I actually give much of a damn about you?

I honestly would not care. Nothing personal, I would say the same if anyone said that to me.

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Originally Posted by Cobbydaler

No he implied (nay stated) that God was active in our lives, which is the point I objected to.

You're becoming rather patronising yourself with that statement Russ, & disingenuous...

My apologies, that wasn't my intention. The point I tried to make is the bulk of his message is surely tolerance. Had he encouraged distrust of non-believers I'm sure there's be enough to say.

Xaccers · 09-05-2008, 00:05

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Originally Posted by Russ B

Well firstly I have no vicar in my church -with the amount of research you do on religious matters I'd have thought you'd get that much right.

Anyway just to correct a few points, I would answer your points however you would routinely fail to accept my responses and simply repeat them. If you have no intentions of accepting answers why should I (or any of the others) waste our time? For almost 2 years the signature you used was incorrect and despite my offers to correct it, you chose to keep it.

Kind of gives the impression that regardless of the answers I give, you will keep your view. That's fine if that's how you work but then please don't complain when we give on answering you.

Are you saying in your local area there are no vicars?

Its a discussion Russ, I should not have to just take your answers if I feel the need to question them for further clarification (as your answers are normally rather vague and non-commital, even from the start).

As for the quote from Thorax, are you saying that many religious people do not believe that humans have souls and animals do not, and that is the reason why humans are able to enter heaven and animals just die? Pretty sure that's a common belief...
I would not let you modify it Russ simply because I find you untrustworthy, as I explained to you at the time.

**Maggy J** · 09-05-2008, 00:05

Off to hug some bedbugs...goodnight.

**David F** · 09-05-2008, 00:05

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Originally Posted by Jefferson T

Zingle does not NEED to do anything and it's not up to you do decide that anyway.

I wont say my God loves ya cuz apparently its wrong to but I do Dilli

**Jefferson T** · 09-05-2008, 00:07

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Originally Posted by zinglebarb

I wont say my God loves ya cuz apparently its wrong to but I do Dilli

I'm glad someone does

Xaccers · 09-05-2008, 00:07

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Originally Posted by Russ B

I honestly would not care. Nothing personal, I would say the same if anyone said that to me.

Many people would care though Russ, if they're going through hard times, and someone came up to them and said "It's ok, my imaginary friend will be there with you" it really belittles the troubles they are going through.

**Russ B** · 09-05-2008, 00:08

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Originally Posted by Xaccers

Are you saying in your local area there are no vicars?

There might be but how would I know what they talk about?

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Originally Posted by Xaccers

Its a discussion Russ, I should not have to just take your answers if I feel the need to question them for further clarification (as your answers are normally rather vague and non-commital, even from the start).

But it's more than that isn't it. No answer I would give would be enough for you.

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Originally Posted by Xaccers

As for the quote from Thorax, are you saying that many religious people do not believe that humans have souls and animals do not, and that is the reason why humans are able to enter heaven and animals just die? Pretty sure that's a common belief...

Tomorrow I will go in to greater detail on how Thorax got it wrong.

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Originally Posted by Xaccers

I would not let you modify it Russ simply because I find you untrustworthy, as I explained to you at the time.

Clearly, seeing as you've accused me of child abuse purely because I bring my daughter up in Christianity.

kirk1690 · 09-05-2008, 00:09

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Originally Posted by zinglebarb

so does everyone in western culture

the western culture which gives jws the freedom to believe in the truth and for which non believing tax payers pay for . The recent cases where young jws died giving birth one to twins by refusing blood and now the state NOT the organization in new york but the state the tax payer most of whom dont believe anything will pay for the father to bring up his children in the faith. If you go to your death by refusing blood then make sure you have private insurance to pay for the upbringing of your children and dont leave it to non believing tax payers like me.

Enuff · 09-05-2008, 00:10

Can people be part-time christians?

**David F** · 09-05-2008, 00:10

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Originally Posted by Russ B

Clearly, seeing as you've accused me of child abuse purely because I bring my daughter up in Christianity.

Is that for real?

**Russ B** · 09-05-2008, 00:13

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Originally Posted by zinglebarb

Is that for real?

Sadly yes.

Xaccers · 09-05-2008, 00:14

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Originally Posted by Russ B

Tomorrow I will go in to greater detail on how Thorax got it wrong.

Which suggests that you don't think there are religious people who believe that only humans have souls. I have to tell you there are, I've met some of them.

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Clearly, seeing as you've accused me of child abuse purely because I bring my daughter up in Christianity.

Was that before or after you said "tough luck" when I pointed out you worshiped a diety which would see them dead and therefore believed they should die?
Teaching a child that a murderer and tyrant is loving and caring is abuse, especially when you neglect to tell them about the tyrany and slaughtering, just as someone bringing their child up to be a neonazi is abuse.

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Originally Posted by Enuff

Can people be part-time christians?

Most of the ones I've met are.

**Russ B** · 09-05-2008, 00:19

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Originally Posted by Xaccers

Which suggests that you don't think there are religious people who believe that only humans have souls. I have to tell you there are, I've met some of them.

To a point he is correct however his quotation is inaccurant and I will demonstrate why tomorrow.

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Originally Posted by Xaccers

Was that before or after you said "tough luck" when I pointed out you worshiped a diety which would see them dead and therefore believed they should die?
Teaching a child that a murderer and tyrant is loving and caring is abuse, especially when you neglect to tell them about the tyrany and slaughtering, just as someone bringing their child up to be a neonazi is abuse.

I was hoping never to bring up your accusations of abuse again (you at least had the testicular fortitude to admit that's what you believed, unlike others) however I'm off to bed now so I'll leave eveyone else to read the above and form their own opinion.