Christians told to treat atheists and agnostics with "deep esteem"

[handyman]

Originally Posted by Russ B

For the first 2 or 3 years of this subject appearing on this site I answered each of your points but when it became clear you had no intentions of seeing it any differently from your own views I gave up on what is clearly a race no bible basher could ever win.

Your never really going to win such an argument as our side states nothing exists and as the religious side offers us nothing in the way of proof then the argument stays at stalemate and just runs the risk of putting doubt into your minds.

I've done my bit, I have brought 2 healthy atheists into the world and hopefully ended religious beliefs in my family.

ps3,xbox the internet etc will do religion more damage then I ever could.

[David F]

Originally Posted by peanutkp

As an Atheist, reading this thread, it's like all the others, pointless in a way. My own conclusions are that most athiests think religious people have lost the plot, but at the same time leave them to get on with it as long as they themselves are also left out of it.

The flip side is sometimes believers tend to think non believers are missing out on something wonderful and they so like to share it, but then that's where it gets dodgy. I feel that believers do tend to feel superior because they have something that others don't so that change certain views on subject, often not in a good way.

Live and let live though.

I in no way feel superior to anyone. I am inferior because I failed my calling I could not live the life expected of me it was to hard. I believe in God but I know I failed him

[Russ B]

Originally Posted by Xaccers

Actually, you've never been able to Russ, neither has Towny come to that, although his attempts have been more substantial and knowledgeable than your own.
You've mostly shied away from the awkward questions, often rolling out "usual suspects" and other non-debateworthy phrases.

I've never shied away from anything you have put to me. For about 2 years I went toe-to-toe with you on any subject but my motivation waned when it became you have no desire to find out genuine answers but instead to push your own distain of religion on to those who have it in their lives. You would wheel out the same tired phrases and googled questions regardless of my answering you. I have never been one to waste peoples time, least of all my own. As a result I no longer answer your recurring points but I sure will post to redress your inaccuracies.

Originally Posted by Xaccers

I would ask what you'd call someone who demands allegence on pain of death and has ordered the slaughter of countless men, women and childre, but I already know the answer.

Been there, done it, answered it.

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Originally Posted by handyman

Your never really going to win such an argument as our side states nothing exists and as the religious side offers us nothing in the way of proof then the argument stays at stalemate and just runs the risk of putting doubt into your minds.

I've done my bit, I have brought 2 healthy atheists into the world and hopefully ended religious beliefs in my family.

ps3,xbox the internet etc will do religion more damage then I ever could.

If that's how you live your life then all the power to you. However if your motivation is just to belittle and try to shake the faith of those who have beliefs then that is where the discussion ends.

[David F]

Originally Posted by Xaccers

Actually, you've never been able to Russ, neither has Towny come to that, although his attempts have been more substantial and knowledgeable than your own.
You've mostly shied away from the awkward questions, often rolling out "usual suspects" and other non-debateworthy phrases.

I would ask what you'd call someone who demands allegence on pain of death and has ordered the slaughter of countless men, women and children, but I already know the answer.





I enjoy theological discussions coggy.

I don't really, but I get drawn in to play devils advocate(pun intended). If me nore Russ posted in this thread it would have all be "bad Archbishop bad religion" and that would not have been fair

[Maggy J]

Originally Posted by Xaccers

Actually, you've never been able to Russ, neither has Towny come to that, although his attempts have been more substantial and knowledgeable than your own.
You've mostly shied away from the awkward questions, often rolling out "usual suspects" and other non-debateworthy phrases.

I would ask what you'd call someone who demands allegence on pain of death and has ordered the slaughter of countless men, women and children, but I already know the answer.





I enjoy theological discussions coggy.

Unfortunately it sounds more like abuse to me...and that you have an itch to scratch. Frankly life is too short for such crap and I'd rather dwell on similarities rather than dwell on the differences between me and others.

[Kevin T]

Originally Posted by Incognitas

If you don't believe in any god or religion why are you getting your knickers in a twist Xaccers?Why not just shrug your shoulders and leave them to their delusions...It's not as if anyone is insisting that you should believe.

Or have they?

"I want to encourage people of faith to regard those without faith with deep esteem because the hidden God is active in their lives as well as in the lives of those who believe."

Not insisting that we should believe, but telling us that God is active in our lives.

So if I said the Agnostic creed was active in Christians lives what response would I get?

I'm not saying that believers & Agnostics shouldn't co-exist, but I object to being told that a deity I don't acknowledge the existence of influences my life....

[frogstamper]

Originally Posted by Xaccers

I enjoy theological discussions coggy.

The same answer Christoper Hitchens gave when asked by Richard Dawkins why if he had the opportunity wouldn't he "magic" religion away. Mind you he did add he liked to expose all the flaws and hypocrisy that went hand in hand with religion.

[David F]

Originally Posted by Cobbydaler

Not insisting that we should believe, but telling us that God is active in our lives.

So if I said the Agnostic creed was active in Christians lives what response would I get?

I'm not saying that believers & Agnostics shouldn't co-exist, but I object to being told that a deity I don't acknowledge the existence of influences my life....

it would matter not to me dude I do not let things like that get to me im more concerned about the rising cost of living.

Objecting to its fine but any degree of stress upset or anger is a negative emotional response that will only cause you harm

[Russ B]

Originally Posted by Cobbydaler

I'm not saying that believers & Agnostics shouldn't co-exist, but I object to being told that a deity I don't acknowledge the existence of influences my life....

Tis easy....just don't listen to him.......

[Maggy J]

Originally Posted by frogstamper

The same answer Christoper Hitchens gave when asked by Richard Dawkins why if he had the opportunity wouldn't he "magic" religion away. Mind you he did add he liked to expose all the flaws and hypocrisy that went hand in hand with religion.

Hypocrisy is not the sole domain of those with faith.

[Jefferson T]

I just don't see how it matters if someone thinks their god loves me.

As long as they don't want me dead or anything I just don't care.

And I've had some religous people at my door screaming that very thing in my face, now THAT I cared about.

[Russ B]

Originally Posted by Cobbydaler

So if I said the Agnostic creed was active in Christians lives what response would I get?

By and large, a very silent one.

[kirk1690]

Originally Posted by frogstamper

Wasn't that, help me Jebus?

Either way I bet his still waiting.

YOUR CORRECT IT WAS HELP ME JEBUS . VERY FUNNY

[Enuff]

You cannot serve God and mammon.

[David F]

Originally Posted by Russ B

By and large, a very silent one.

I feel Russ yours and mine response to that question speaks volumes mate