Christians told to treat atheists and agnostics with "deep esteem"

[kirk1690]

Originally Posted by zinglebarb

I refer you to what I said to X . It makes no difference to me what you think or feel about me. I was simply pointing out the irony of how more disrespectful your post was to believers than what was in the OP. Your post was nasty with nasty intent

well thanks very much and with an intimate knowledge of JWs I could be alot nastier but out of respect for my brother and his family I wont , so how long have you been a slave , you sound like a new convert and theres no fanatic like a new convert. When my brother joined the ranks he was convinced the world was ending within weeks and the new system of things would take over , that was 20 years ago and still reading natural disasters and changes in the worlds banking system as prophecy

[frogstamper]

This is one of those never ending argument's where a so called god can neither be proved or disproved, the question in my mind is why do we still believe in something that supposedly happened 2000 years ago, when at the same time we can laugh at the thought of Mount Olympus, Zeus and the rest of the Roman gods as patently ridiculous.? Also when you look at the texts of all three of the Abrahamic faiths each of them are pretty intolerant to other religions, is it the Christian god who demands we must only worship him because he is a jealous god?. To me this may have been useful a thousand or even a couple of hundred years ago, to cement society because life was hard and it gave the masses hope, but today 2000 years later after I don't know how many atrocity's and not even a glimmer of proof.

[Russ B]

Originally Posted by Xaccers

If they respected you, they'd ask if you'd like to hear about it first wouldn't they?

Does life really work that way? Do my workmates ask me if I want to talk about football, last night's tv, the daily news etc or do they just talk about it, like most people do?

Originally Posted by Xaccers

Perhaps that's the issue, you don't know what respect is and how to show it?

A cheap pop from you so early in the thread? I am disappointed

Originally Posted by Xaccers

On a public forum, people answer the question by participating, similarly with TV programs, don't like it, don't watch it (ask a different mod to monitor it even).

Impractical I'm afraid. We don't mod threads based on our interest in them. It's a case of whoever is on at the time.

[zinglebarb]

Originally Posted by kirk1690

well thanks very much and with an intimate knowledge of JWs I could be alot nastier but out of respect for my brother and his family I wont , so how long have you been a slave , you sound like a new convert and theres no fanatic like a new convert. When my brother joined the ranks he was convinced the world was ending within weeks and the new system of things would take over , that was 20 years ago and still reading natural disasters and changes in the worlds banking system as prophecy

If you bothered to read my posts you would see me clearly state I used to be

[kirk1690]

Originally Posted by Russ B

Ahh, you were asking do I think my beliefs are 'right'? Well yes of course I do.

good one , aye your a no blooder ok

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by Russ B

Time after time I have shown you where you have taken scripture out of context to create this 'evidence'. Continually repeating it does not make it correct.

Lets not pretend Russ, the reality is time after time I've shown you in context where the scripture has shown god to be a genocidal tyrant, and time after time you have ignored it because you don't have the strength of your convictions to admit that your god isn't actually all that nice and still worship him.

Time after time I've asked you to show how the bible is wrong in what it records as having happened or it's predictions of what will happen, and you've not.

How exactly is saying that non-christians will be killed taking scripture out of context?
Will or won't people deemed not to be christians be killed at god's command according to the bible?

[zinglebarb]

Originally Posted by Xaccers

If they respected you, they'd ask if you'd like to hear about it first wouldn't they?
Perhaps that's the issue, you don't know what respect is and how to show it?

On a public forum, people answer the question by participating, similarly with TV programs, don't like it, don't watch it (ask a different mod to monitor it even).

I do not see you ever saying " do you believers mind if I tell you why I don't" You will not find me trying to ram religion down peoples throats you will however find examples of defending religion and faith when it is being dissed

[Incognitas]

Originally Posted by frogstamper

This is one of those never ending argument's where a so called god can neither be proved or disproved, the question in my mind is why do we still believe in something that supposedly happened 2000 years ago, when at the same time we can laugh at the thought of Mount Olympus, Zeus and the rest of the Roman gods as patently ridiculous.? Also when you look at the texts of all three of the Abrahamic faiths each of them are pretty intolerant to other religions, is it the Christian god who demands we must only worship him because he is a jealous god?. To me this may have been useful a thousand or even a couple of hundred years ago, to cement society because life was hard and it gave the masses hope, but today 2000 years later after I don't know how many atrocity's and not even a glimmer of proof.

This is your choice and your freedom to choose whether you believe or not..Let us give everyone that choice without abusing them for their choice.

[kirk1690]

Originally Posted by zinglebarb

If you bothered to read my posts you would see me clearly state I used to be

well I cant keep up with every post can I ? your not one anymore yet you still believe, strange .

[Cobbydaler]

Originally Posted by Russ B

Because society has taught you that's the best way to be?

No, because that is the way I am.

But, of course, if I'd have said yes then you would have retorted that society has been shaped by Christianity over the years...

Why can't you accept that there are other viewpoints from people who don't share the ideas of Cardinal Murphy-O'Connor?

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by Russ B

Does life really work that way? Do my workmates ask me if I want to talk about football, last night's tv, the daily news etc or do they just talk about it, like most people do?

If they were showing you respect they would. Surely you can see that?

A cheap pop from you so early in the thread? I am disappointed

Thank you for answering my question Russ.

Impractical I'm afraid. We don't mod threads based on our interest in them. It's a case of whoever is on at the time.

You chose to be a mod, you could have refused the invite, ergo you find such threads acceptable to read. Should you decide you no longer find them acceptable, then you have the option to resign as a mod. No one in this thread other than yourself is making you read it.

[zinglebarb]

Originally Posted by Xaccers

Lets not pretend Russ, the reality is time after time I've shown you in context where the scripture has shown god to be a genocidal tyrant, and time after time you have ignored it because you don't have the strength of your convictions to admit that your god isn't actually all that nice and still worship him.

Time after time I've asked you to show how the bible is wrong in what it records as having happened or it's predictions of what will happen, and you've not.

How exactly is saying that non-christians will be killed taking scripture out of context?
Will or won't people deemed not to be christians be killed at god's command according to the bible?

Mosaic ended when Christ was put to death and paid the ransom sacrifice for the betrayal in Eden

[handyman]

Originally Posted by zinglebarb

I see a vicious circle here. Me thinking my God loves those who does not believe it appears to patronise those who not believe and those who do not believe wanting me not to think my loving God loves them is patronising to me and round and round we go lol

But it is unrequited love, I never asked for it and don't care for it. Even in the hypothesis that there was a god then I would not want it interfering in my life.

My view pulls your entire belief structure to pieces. Your view is your view and your entitled to it but god or no god I still would not want to be involved with any of the religious groups.

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by zinglebarb

Mosaic ended when Christ was put to death and paid the ransom sacrifice for the betrayal in Eden

So come judgment day, nothing will change? Everyone will live happily ever after?
I think you need to re-read the NT Zing

[Russ B]

Originally Posted by Xaccers

Lets not pretend Russ, the reality is time after time I've shown you in context where the scripture has shown god to be a genocidal tyrant, and time after time you have ignored it because you don't have the strength of your convictions to admit that your god isn't actually all that nice and still worship him.

I have taken you down time after time in discussions like this Xaccers, Towny has done it with a lot more finesse. The seriousness I take in your participation of these discussions is always measured by how early you wheel out the 'genocidal tyrant' line. I have shown you how you have taken scripture out of context repeatedly however your strength of your convictions has prevented you from seeing it.

Originally Posted by Xaccers

Time after time I've asked you to show how the bible is wrong in what it records as having happened or it's predictions of what will happen, and you've not.

For the first 2 or 3 years of this subject appearing on this site I answered each of your points but when it became clear you had no intentions of seeing it any differently from your own views I gave up on what is clearly a race no bible basher could ever win.

Originally Posted by Xaccers

How exactly is saying that non-christians will be killed taking scripture out of context?
Will or won't people deemed not to be christians be killed at god's command according to the bible?

We have been over this countless times, as you well know.