Cannabis laws to be strengthened(reclassified) - Page 2

Incognitas · 08-05-2008, 01:17

I think folk have failed to realise my original point of how chopping and changing the rules has only confused an already confused public further.

Mind I think any effort to control addictive substances is always going to be trailing behind the realities of the situation anyway.Locking the stable door after the event so to speak.

This government has it's one addiction of thinking that to govern they must nanny us practically to death either through stringent laws or intense nagging.

**Matt D** · 08-05-2008, 03:24

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Drugs play a big part in drug related crime, where addicts and users steal from other people to pay for their habit.

Yes, for heroin & other hard drugs.

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All three substances harm the users to some degree ( whether they admit it or not) but they also harm other people affected by their actions.

True.

Although someone who's stoned isn't going to be e.g. getting violent outside the local Wetherspoon & causing fights on a Saturday night.

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The creation of the skunk variety of cannabis means that perhaps without knowing it recreational users are moving on to harder drugs even though it's not heroin, ecstasy etc.

You cannot compare skunk to heroin & ecstasy (don't think you can even compare ecstasy to heroin). Skunk's not hard... bit stronger, yeah, but not even remotely in the same league as actual "hard" drugs, which are far far far more harmful. And it's been around for ages.

As the ACMD said, cannabis should still be a Class C, as although harmful, it is far less harmful, far less dangerous, than class B drugs (& obviously even less harmful than class As like heroin).

Enuff · 08-05-2008, 07:00

The powers that be can place the drug in whatever category they want, It doesn't change a thing for the user... apart from getting a larger fine or more time in nic. It'll still be used and abused.

Xaccers · 08-05-2008, 12:41

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Although someone who's stoned isn't going to be e.g. getting violent outside the local Wetherspoon & causing fights on a Saturday night.

Perhaps you're unaware of the alarming increase in cases of people driving while under the influence of drugs, especially weed?

Incognitas · 08-05-2008, 13:47

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Perhaps you're unaware of the alarming increase in cases of people driving while under the influence of drugs, especially weed?

That wasn't one of the reasons given and besides I believe there are enough laws to cover driving under the influence of drugs and alcohol.

I'm just annoyed at the waste of public money myself.Like it was their's to throw away like waste water.

STONEISLAND · 08-05-2008, 15:09

Lock me up now. I need to be arrested.

Booze led me to weed. Booze led me to harder drugs which I do not do now. Not weed!!!!!

What a waste of time!!!

DJ_Price · 08-05-2008, 17:21

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Originally Posted by STONEISLAND

Lock me up now. I need to be arrested.

Booze led me to weed. Booze led me to harder drugs which I do not do now. Not weed!!!!!

What a waste of time!!!

It does help to have willpower & actually say NO to things.

piggy · 08-05-2008, 17:53

grange hill just say no ......then it turned out most of them were users!!! (off topic sorry)

frogstamper · 08-05-2008, 19:00

Well Brown got his reward in yesterdays Mail for this decision, a few lines in the editorial saying it was a brave decision, then back to taking the mick out of him, I hope it was worth it Gordon, now you can really impress them by handing out £30 fines to over two million regular cannabis smokers, the vast majority who are hard working decent people. Way to go Brown very progressive.

RizzyKing · 08-05-2008, 19:59

I just think it's all much ado about nothing and today nothing will have changed whatsoever for anyone involved in it. Personally i despise drugs and what they do but there will always be someone that takes them and misuses them nothing we can do about that until genetic's advances to the stage of being able to eradicate the idiot gene completely. But having said that of all the people i know that do\did hard drugs they all started off on weed so maybe there is something to it afterall won't hold my breath on anything changing though.

**Matt D** · 09-05-2008, 01:39

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Perhaps you're unaware of the alarming increase in cases of people driving while under the influence of drugs, especially weed?

Nope.

I was not saying that cannabis users did not affect other people, & did actually agree with ntluser when he said that users of all three substances (alcohol, tobacco, cannabis) affected others.

Xaccers · 09-05-2008, 01:56

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Nope.

I was not saying that cannabis users did not affect other people, & did actually agree with ntluser when he said that users of all three substances (alcohol, tobacco, cannabis) affected others.

d'oh my mistake! sorry

Chrysalis · 09-05-2008, 03:05

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Though drugs, cigarettes and alcohol can have a detrimental effect on your health there will always be people who are happy to use them and accept the risk.

The problem is that though they accept the risk for themselves it is the non-users who actually suffer.

Drugs play a big part in drug related crime, where addicts and users steal from other people to pay for their habit.

As far as cigarettes go, we all remember Roy Castle, a non-smoker dying of cancer, from passive smoking not to mention the large number of smokers dying from lung cancer.

Watching the incidents of binge drinking on the TV, it is the sober policemen, landlords and other members of the public who have to deal with their antics. Further, a fair proportion of domestic violence is alcohol-related, not to mention the number of deaths and injuries caused by drink driving.

All three substances harm the users to some degree ( whether they admit it or not) but they also harm other people affected by their actions.

Their widespread usage means that a large number of people are affected either as users or victims.

The creation of the skunk variety of cannabis means that perhaps without knowing it recreational users are moving on to harder drugs even though it's not heroin, ecstasy etc.

The ongoing problem is that because of the addictive quality of drugs, cigarettes and alcohol this situation will be with us for some time.

Maybe the only way to solve it is for the victims of users to take out civil law suits to seek redress or for users to recognize that they are addicted and to seek medical help to address the problem.

It will be interesting to see how it all turns out.

Of course smoking and alcohol reduce stress and stress also is a killer and a health risk, so smoking has benefit and downsides.

I know 2 people who have died under 45. Both didnt smoke or drink other than on special occasions maybe once or twice a year. Everyone I know who is alive and older than 60 smokes.

ntluser · 09-05-2008, 11:03

In my original post I said that "drugs, cigarettes and alcohol CAN have a detrimental effect on your health"

Equally, there will be people who, despite using them, will be relatively unaffected.

The secret to long life is doing everything in moderation so taking the occasional drag, drink or spliff is unlikely to do you much harm unless you are very unlucky, which is possible.

When someone dies it always has a devastating effect on family, friends and neighbours. It's made worse if the manner of their death was unnecessary and avoidable, but it's really sad when other innocent people are also killed in the process.

As for stress, the best remedy is moderate exercise since not only does it make you feel better it actually does you some good.