Boris And The Liberal Hypocrites

[Maggy J]

I'm sick of people who totally ignore ALL the evidence presented to them that the majority white population are doing just fine in comparison to the ethnic minorities in the UK.

[XFS03]

Originally Posted by Nugget

Personally, I can't see anything wrong with any of these names In fact, I don't think that any of them are any worse (or better) than 'the British National Party' (obviously ignoring the face that many non-white members of society are also British, but there you go...)

So would you equally see nothing wrong with :-
White business association
Society of White lawyers
White employment initiative etc.

The name "British National Party" does not mention the colour of a person's skin, so I don't know how you can compare it with the "Black" organisations. You actually said yourself that many non-white members of society are British.

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by XFS03

So would you equally see nothing wrong with :-
White business association
Society of White lawyers
White employment initiative etc.

The name "British National Party" does not mention the colour of a person's skin, so I don't know how you can compare it with the "Black" organisations. You actually said yourself that many non-white members of society are British.

Unlike the examples which others have given, as has been mentioned many times before, the BNP are not branded racist for supporting British, they are branded racist because of their racist policies.
For instance, if the "Society of White lawyers" was there to help fight any discrimination against white lawyers in the way that say the Society of Black Lawyers would do for their members, no problem, but if they campained so that there were only white lawyers, then there would be a problem, likewise if the SoBL did the same but called for only black lawyers.
That's not too hard to understand is it?

[XFS03]

Originally Posted by Damien

It's a hard issue but you should remember that many of these groups are designed to overcome perceived discrimination. It's not been that long since those racial issues should have been removed so it may continue.

In my Uni there are African/Asian groups whos intent is to carry on with their culture and share the intreats in the music, art and food of those cultures, the stuff they had back home. The reason there is not a British one is because this is britain

I can fully appreciate the reasons for groups to exist to express their culture, such as dance, song, food, art etc., but many black-only groups are formed where non-racist groups already exist. Why is there a need for black business organisations, black youth groups, black lawyers associations? These organisations already exist, and are open to everyone, whatever the colour of their skin.

[RizzyKing]

Sorry but why does the colour of someone\something have to be in the title of any organisation because by doing that they alienate a section of society. If as was said you replaced black with the word white in any of them organisations you couldn't move for the shouts of "racist organisation" but any other way is fine. It is double standards and it is not acceptable and should be condemned every bit as much as something like the BNP. Britain is not multi-cultural as much as we are led to believe and it is certainly not a happy nation at the minute and while many of the reasons why it isn't happy have nothing to do with race i do think race will be one of the big issues that brings things to a head if we are not careful.

[Saaf_laandon_mo]

Originally Posted by XFS03

I can fully appreciate the reasons for groups to exist to express their culture, such as dance, song, food, art etc., but many black-only groups are formed where non-racist groups already exist. Why is there a need for black business organisations, black youth groups, black lawyers associations? These organisations already exist, and are open to everyone, whatever the colour of their skin.

Some black/asian groups have formed because of a constant refusal by other groups to integrate black and asians into them.

[RizzyKing]

"Some black/asian groups have formed because of a constant refusal by other groups to integrate black and asians into them." Then report them to the proper authorities and do it the right way sorry thats not a good enough reason as far as i am concerned.

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

"Some black/asian groups have formed because of a constant refusal by other groups to integrate black and asians into them." Then report them to the proper authorities and do it the right way sorry thats not a good enough reason as far as i am concerned.

Because people are different, one size does not fit all, understanding of one's cultural background isn't in the mission plan of the generic organisations.
A generic business organisation is not always going to be set up to cope with understanding racial discrimination for instance, and so people in that area have taken it upon themselves to cater for the needs of a minority, yet you act as though that is somehow wrong.
In those areas where a generic organisation does cater for everyone's needs, you'll notice that there aren't miniority specific support groups.

[Nugget]

Originally Posted by Jonnymeg

Replace the word 'black' with 'white' in that list and see what would happen. We would never get away with it would we?
Personally i am sick of the double standards in this country. Being and average, hard working, tax paying, law abiding white man means you get **** on!

Doesn't matter if you'd 'get away with it' or not - as I said, in my opinion, I see nothing wrong with any of those names. Maybe I'm just incapable of seeing a problem where there is none.

Mind you, I'd like to see some examples of the 'average, hard working, tax paying, law abiding white man' being discriminated against - all of those terms apply to me (well, apart from the hard working ), and I think that the state supports me just fine, thanks.

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Originally Posted by XFS03

So would you equally see nothing wrong with :-
White business association
Society of White lawyers
White employment initiative etc.

Nope, but that's because I don't see someone's ethnicity or colour as being an issue.

The name "British National Party" does not mention the colour of a person's skin, so I don't know how you can compare it with the "Black" organisations. You actually said yourself that many non-white members of society are British.

I didn't say that it did mention skin colour - what I said (or, in fairness, implied) is that the British National Party, while claiming to support 'traditional' British values and the 'traditional' British way of life (whatever that is, taking into account the fact that we all came from Africa originally), rather forgets that there are many people of different colours that can feasibly lay claim to be more British than I am...

[XFS03]

Originally Posted by Xaccers

Unlike the examples which others have given, as has been mentioned many times before, the BNP are not branded racist for supporting British, they are branded racist because of their racist policies.
For instance, if the "Society of White lawyers" was there to help fight any discrimination against white lawyers in the way that say the Society of Black Lawyers would do for their members, no problem, but if they campained so that there were only white lawyers, then there would be a problem, likewise if the SoBL did the same but called for only black lawyers.
That's not too hard to understand is it?

I understand completely what the BNP stand for, but that has nothing to do with the point I was making. Nugget was comparing the name of the British National Party to those in my post. I was making the point that the name of the BNP doesn't mention that the colour of a persons skin depends on whether you can join or not.

I can't believe that all the black organisations were set up just to combat discrimination. The GLA has a funny way of dealing with it, if that's the case. How can giving millions of pounds to black youth groups, black business organisations, etc. fight discrimination? Surely getting to the root cause of any discrimination should be a priority. Wouldn't a policy of integration be more fruitfull, rather than a policy of funding black-only organisations?

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Originally Posted by Nugget

...that's because I don't see someone's ethnicity or colour as being an issue...

Neither do I, which is why I have reservations about places like the Eastside Academy mentioned in the first post http://www.eyla.org.uk/about.htm set up for Black boys only.

It's because I don't believe in discrimination that I have problems with this academy. If it was for all underachievers, then that would be fine, but it's not is it. It's for black underachievers only. Not a very good example of racial integration is it.

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by XFS03

Wouldn't a policy of integration be more fruitfull, rather than a policy of funding black-only organisations?

Surely a multi pronged attack is more likely to acheive better results?
Why does everyone always look for a single magic bullet/cause?

Racial discrimination doesn't have to be blatant, rather than someone turning up to an interview with racist interviewers and being told "No we won't have you because you're black" they're more likely to be told "sorry, you weren't successful" so how do you prove it was due to racism?
You can't. So your idea of only a policy of integration won't do the complete job.

[Russ B]

Originally Posted by Xaccers

Racial discrimination doesn't have to be blatant, rather than someone turning up to an interview with racist interviewers and being told "No we won't have you because you're black" they're more likely to be told "sorry, you weren't successful" so how do you prove it was due to racism?

What if it wasn't due to race?

[Damien]

Originally Posted by Russ B

What if it wasn't due to race?

You would not know, I think most people are decent enough not to presume it was because of the color of their skin but a few, both black and white, will always try to place the blame on racism rather than their own individual failings.

[Saaf_laandon_mo]

There was a documented case a few years back where an applicant sent identical cvs off to same employers, one with a name that could be associated with being black (or from another background - i cant remember exactly) and the other cv from a typical 'english' name. He received more rejections from the 'black' cv than the other.

I think that this could be the only way, apart from the interviewer admitting it, that something smelling of racism is a foot.

This isnt the case I was thinking about but something similar - although here the company said that the "white" applicant was willing to move to Wales

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/topstor...9520-19337518/

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by Russ B

What if it wasn't due to race?

The example I gave was due to a racist interviewer to show that racism doesn't have to be blatant and obvious.