Who will you be voting for in the next general election?

[nswatman]

Originally Posted by Womble

So true!! But not a leftie/commie party, or a nazi/thug mob
A decent, honest party who are not in the pockets of big business, or who have vested interests.
A party which is concerned about the welfare of the people, but who wont tolerate leeches on society,
Who welcomes immigrants, but controls and removes the spongers and the criminals among them
A party concerned with making things better, not concerned about making more money through taxes.

As for Labour, they have bankrupt this country, once again Labour have left us in debt up to our collective eyeballs, and have taxed us to the hilt, just as they left it last time in the 70's.
And, I believe the Tories will romp home at the next election, unemployment will go up etc etc, it will follow the same pattern as last time. 10 years on they will hand over a thriving economy to Labour who will wreck it once more!!

And the merry-go-round continues!!

Couldn't have put it better

[freezin]

Originally Posted by Womble

So true!! But not a leftie/commie party, or a nazi/thug mob
A decent, honest party who are not in the pockets of big business, or who have vested interests.
A party which is concerned about the welfare of the people, but who wont tolerate leeches on society,
Who welcomes immigrants, but controls and removes the spongers and the criminals among them
A party concerned with making things better, not concerned about making more money through taxes.

That party is not the Tories though, is it?

As for Labour, they have bankrupt this country, once again Labour have left us in debt up to our collective eyeballs, and have taxed us to the hilt, just as they left it last time in the 70's.

I agree.

And, I believe the Tories will romp home at the next election, unemployment will go up etc etc, it will follow the same pattern as last time. 10 years on they will hand over a thriving economy to Labour who will wreck it once more!!

I don't believe the Tories will get a landslide, though they might win with a small majority. As for building a thriving economy, I'm not sure they'll have the power to do that alone. If sterling and the euro come closer to parity, and they will if the present trend continues, Gordon Brown might persuade the public that there's no point in staying outside the eurozone, and already we have taxes approaching European averages (with Tory support). In a referendum, Tory opposition to the euro could hardly be said to be guaranteed given their track record. And if Britain joins the euro, the European Central Bank will have more control over our economy than any British government.

And the merry-go-round continues!!

Can't argue there!

[Damien]

Originally Posted by Chrysalis

there may not be another election.

check out eutruth.org tell me what you think, also google ring of power.

You really believe all that NWO stuff?

[Nidge]

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

I will be voting tory i have well and truly had enough of this bunch of cretins. Things can only get better my **** they have done more damage in a decade then any other bunch and i doubt anyone will really be sad to see the back of the lot of them.

Remember when Tories were in power they nearly killed the country, the Health Service was on it's knees, the nurses were poorly paid, hospitals were falling down around people. The Education system was a mess, school buildings were in a real mess, many schools were still using outside toilets, The country needed billions spending on it.

Labour got to power and within 4 years billions were spent rebuilding the country, new hospitals were being built, nurses were given a pay rise taking them from being the lowest paid workers in the UK to being one of the highest paid in the UK.

Schools got billions spent on them, new schools got built, when the Tories were in power none were built they just left them to fall to peices around the children, these new schools were 20 years overdue, teachers got a payrise something they'd not had in years

When Labour came to power every publice sector worker got a payrise, they cut the national debt caused by the Tory inept spending, I know it's back upto pre Tory levels but our health service is in much better shape, we have a good education system and the country is in a much better state than what it was in the 80's and early 90's.

I urge anyone who votes Tory to think hard about about their last term in power, they nearly killed this country with their inept leadership, a Tory leader will only look after his own people, yo only have to look a the state of the local communities when the Tories were in power? Look at the same communities today, they've had thousands spent on them thanks to local Government.

We can all bang on about the price of this that and the other especially oil prices, who got us into this mess in the first place?? Yes the Tories, they wasted our North sea oil years ago, now we have to rely on other countries for our oil hence us having to pay the inflated prices placed on us by OPEC.

If you vote Tory vote for them at you peril because after all these years they've not changed one bit. I reckon if they got into power this country will be on it's backside within 5 years if not sooner.

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by kirk1690

you must be too young to remember the damage the last tory government did to this country, try asking a miner or a steelworker , oh sorry you cant cause there are none!! Do you really think a party led by that upper class twit will be good for britain?

Better than a party who's leader has sent men to there death on a lie about weapons of mass destruction. or a party who's unelected by the people leader has just sold us down the road to Europe because he lied about a Referendum. The same leader who does not have the BALLS to face the people of this country and ask for there vote.

The same man that has just decided to make the poor even poorer and the rich richer.

Labour would lie about anything at all if there was a expenses claim in it.

[foreverwar]

Originally Posted by Nidge

Remember when Tories were in power they nearly killed the country, the Health Service was on it's knees, the nurses were poorly paid, hospitals were falling down around people. The Education system was a mess, school buildings were in a real mess, many schools were still using outside toilets, The country needed billions spending on it.

Labour got to power and within 4 years billions were spent rebuilding the country, new hospitals were being built, nurses were given a pay rise taking them from being the lowest paid workers in the UK to being one of the highest paid in the UK.

Schools got billions spent on them, new schools got built, when the Tories were in power none were built they just left them to fall to peices around the children, these new schools were 20 years overdue, teachers got a payrise something they'd not had in years

When Labour came to power every publice sector worker got a payrise, they cut the national debt caused by the Tory inept spending, I know it's back upto pre Tory levels but our health service is in much better shape, we have a good education system and the country is in a much better state than what it was in the 80's and early 90's.

I urge anyone who votes Tory to think hard about about their last term in power, they nearly killed this country with their inept leadership, a Tory leader will only look after his own people, yo only have to look a the state of the local communities when the Tories were in power? Look at the same communities today, they've had thousands spent on them thanks to local Government.

We can all bang on about the price of this that and the other especially oil prices, who got us into this mess in the first place?? Yes the Tories, they wasted our North sea oil years ago, now we have to rely on other countries for our oil hence us having to pay the inflated prices placed on us by OPEC.

If you vote Tory vote for them at you peril because after all these years they've not changed one bit. I reckon if they got into power this country will be on it's backside within 5 years if not sooner.

Thank you for pointing out the good things the New Labour have done, because they should count.

Now how about the other side of the coin
- National Debt at it's highest
- All that extra money spent appears not to have improved the services much
- Sending our troops with inadequate equipment into another Vietnam
etc etc

If we are going to have a rational debate, let's try and bring facts into it, not just "Old Labour" rhetoric.

btw, all the arguments you have used about the Tories being no different were also used against New Labour - were they also true?

[Nidge]

Originally Posted by Sirius

Better than a party who's leader has sent men to there death on a lie about weapons of mass destruction. or a party who's unelected by the people leader has just sold us down the road to Europe because he lied about a Referendum. The same leader who does not have the BALLS to face the people of this country and ask for there vote.

The same man that has just decided to make the poor even poorer and the rich richer.

Labour would lie about anything at all if there was a expenses claim in it.

And the Tories didn't in the early 80's when they sent the British Army into battle for a little dot on the worlds map called the Falklands, I would have given them the islands.

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Originally Posted by foreverwar

Thank you for pointing out the good things the New Labour have done, because they should count.

Now how about the other side of the coin
- National Debt at it's highest
- All that extra money spent appears not to have improved the services much
- Sending our troops with inadequate equipment into another Vietnam
etc etc

If we are going to have a rational debate, let's try and bring facts into it, not just "Old Labour" rhetoric.

btw, all the arguments you have used about the Tories being no different were also used against New Labour - were they also true?

Like I mentioned in my above post the national debt is back to where it was because of the rebuilding of the country like new schools, hospitals, nurses wages, teachers wages, police wages etc etc. When the Tories were in power they were the lowest paid in the country.

Round our way we are having a new hospital buit at a cost of £600million, our old hospital was an old American Serviceman hospital built before the 2nd world war.

Our country is in a much better state than what it was when the Tories were in power.

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Nidge

And the Tories didn't in the early 80's when they sent the British Army into battle for a little dot on the worlds map called the Falklands, I would have given them the islands.

But it was not a LIE. That's the problem Blair lied and then he lied again. His own people supported the lie and STILL say he did no wrong. Even now they are sending troops to fight with crap kit.

Now we have a pretender who does not have the Bottle to face the public vote.

And now the pretender has lied over a Referendum. They will lie about anything to keep their fat expenses checks each month. Blair even used his expenses to pay his TV tax for christ sake.
Labour i have seen better crap on the bottom of my shoe in a farmers field.

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Originally Posted by Nidge

Our country is in a much better state than what it was when the Tories were in power.

Best joke i have seen so far today

[Osem]

Originally Posted by nswatman

You think Labour are bad, yes it is true, in my opinion they are very bad. The only main problem is that the real reason they are bad is because they are becoming more like the CONservatives. A vote for CONservative is just the same as voting labour.

We need a real party that represents the real working people of this country and I am afraid that Labour and Conservative are not that!

That's not entirely true is it - Brown has been acting like Labour leaders of old for years by throwing vast sume of public money into the public sector and borrowing massively to fund it. IIRC we now have the largest defecit in the whole of Europe and the highest overall tax take ever - I don't recall that being a feature of late 20th C. Conservatism. Whilst there's no doubt that Bliar moved Labour to the right, there's a big difference between the sort of right wing rhetoric and spin we've been spoon fed and real actions to back it all up which have been rather thin on the ground. The Home Office's record and immigration are classic examples of this. They eventually identifed it as being 'unfit for purpose' despite previously claiming the opposite for years but have they fixed it yet? After denying it'd happen, they said they'd control mass migration but haven't. Jack Straw, Blunkett, Clarke, Reid et al all talked the right wing talk ad nauseam but rarely walked the right wing walk!



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Originally Posted by Nidge

Like I mentioned in my above post the national debt is back to where it was because of the rebuilding of the country like new schools, hospitals, nurses wages, teachers wages, police wages etc etc. When the Tories were in power they were the lowest paid in the country.

Round our way we are having a new hospital buit at a cost of £600million, our old hospital was an old American Serviceman hospital built before the 2nd world war.

Our country is in a much better state than what it was when the Tories were in power.

As for claims about how New/Old/NearlyNew/SameOld Labour have had to rebuild infrastructure etc. well that's not entirely untrue, however the way in which they've chosen to do it has involved vast amounts of wasted money on doomed and ill-conceived projects, massive spending on quangos, regulators etc., ridiculous 'buy now, pay oh so much more later' PFI's (which are going to cost this country massive sums over coming decades) and selling half our entire gold reserves at a single stroke and at a ridiculously low price. Had they been half as prudent as Brown always liked to claim they'd never have done that and the taxpayer would have got something approaching value for money. As it is the taxpayer has been royally shafted by Brown's 'chuck money at it and pay for it on tick' methodology. We too have a nice sexy new (MRSA infected) hospital BTW which has and will conntinue to cost a lot more than it should have done simply because of the PFI attached to it. I'm sorry but the state of our economy currently is far far worse than in 1997 and an awful lot of people are going to find that out shortly if they don't know it already.

As regards the Falklands, well that unfortunate war was at least entered into after an invasion of UK territory by a foreign power. At least Thatcher didn't concoct a whole load of lies about WMD's in order to justify it!

I'm sorry but what we need and what we're realistically going to get are two different things but first and foremost we need to get shot of this bunch of inept, lying, parasites ASAP and hopefully before they bring the country to its knees.

[Wicked_and_Crazy]

Originally Posted by ginge51

Because then ppl who cba leaving comments might just tick the poll box

or as i my case i wont tick the poll. If they only tick the poll it doesnt have to be public for you to see the results

[Damien]

I agree with Nidge that hospital have gotten a lot better in the last 10 years, just thinking back to the time my gran was in Hospital compared to now is just one of the changes. (I also recall going for tests that took all day, 3 tests!, last time i went was done in a hour). Also Social Services, care for the disabled, and so forth has improved vastly from the point of near non-existance under the torys.

I also agree that they also left a lot of debt and while the current economic stituation is not entiterly in their control, this is another issue that the next government will have to deal with)

I won't be voting Labour at the next election but I don't see the point of pretending they have done nothing but make the country worse. All governments makes some things worse and others better.

[Wicked_and_Crazy]

Originally Posted by Nidge

Remember when Tories were in power they nearly killed the country, the Health Service was on it's knees, the nurses were poorly paid, hospitals were falling down around people. The Education system was a mess, school buildings were in a real mess, many schools were still using outside toilets, The country needed billions spending on it.

So whats changed?? other than we now pay more tax the we did before

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Originally Posted by Damien

I agree with Nidge that hospital have gotten a lot better in the last 10 years,

Maybe because a lot more people now pay to go private

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Originally Posted by Nidge

Round our way we are having a new hospital buit at a cost of £600million, our old hospital was an old American Serviceman hospital built before the 2nd world war.

How is it being paid for?

[Nidge]

Originally Posted by Osem

That's not entirely true is it - Brown has been acting like Labour leaders of old for years by throwing vast sume of public money into the public sector and borrowing massively to fund it. IIRC we now have the largest defecit in the whole of Europe and the highest overall tax take ever - I don't recall that being a feature of late 20th C. Conservatism. Whilst there's no doubt that Bliar moved Labour to the right, there's a big difference between the sort of right wing rhetoric and spin we've been spoon fed and real actions to back it all up which have been rather thin on the ground. The Home Office's record and immigration are classic examples of this. They eventually identifed it as being 'unfit for purpose' despite previously claiming the opposite for years but have they fixed it yet? After denying it'd happen, they said they'd control mass migration but haven't. Jack Straw, Blunkett, Clarke, Reid et al all talked the right wing talk ad nauseam but rarely walked the right wing walk!



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As for claims about how New/Old/NearlyNew/SameOld Labour have had to rebuild infrastructure etc. well that's not entirely untrue however the way in which they've chosen to do it has involved vast amounts of wasted money on doomed and ill-conceived projects, massive spending on quangos, regulators, 'buy now, pay oh so much more later' PFI's which are going to cost this country massive sums over coming decades and selling half our entire gold reserves at a single stroke and at a ridiculously low price. Had they been half as prudent as Brown always liked to claim they'd never have done that and the taxpayer would have got something approaching value for money. As it is the taxpayer has been royally shafted by Brown's buy it on tick methodology. We too have a nice sexy new MRSA infected hospital BTW which has and will conntinue to cost a lot more than it should have done simply because of the PFI attached to it. I'm sorry but the state of our economy currently is far far worse than in 1997 and an awful lot of people are going to find that out shortly if they don't know it already.

I'm sorry but what we need and what we're realistically going to get are two different things but first and foremost we need to get shot of this bunch of inept, lying, parasites ASAP and hopefully before they bring the country to its knees.

Weren't the public of the UK tricked into buying thier houses by Thatcher? Then a few months later we were hit with mega high interest rates leaving many of these people without a home and spiralling debts.

Only a Tory supporter is blinded by the progress this country has made under Labour, what are the Tory supporting citizens of the UK expecting them to do when they come into power? Are they expecting fuel prices to come back down? Are they expecting the UK to pull out of Iraq and Afghanistan? The Tories haven't got the swingers to do it they've never had the swingers to do anything.

You mention Labour selling our crown jewels, what did the Tories sell, given half then chance they'd have sold their own grandmother, they sold the Steel industry, Gas, Electric, Coal Mines, Railways etc etc. The Railways were that bad Labour had to pump hundreds of millions of public money into the system because the Tories milked all the money away leaving the network on it's knees, if I recall 99.9% of Railtrack shareholders were Tory supporters weren't they?