"Tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime"
03-05-2008, 22:06
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Re: "Tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime"
Having originally posted this thread as a mark of my utter disgust with Bliar's cynical rhetoric and spin, it's only fair that I acknowledge those cases in which the authorities do us all proud in the pursuit of justice:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/1921...oversight.html
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06-05-2008, 19:55
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Re: "Tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime"
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7386697.stm
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A drugs offender has escaped having about £1.5m of his assets seized because he could not find a barrister to represent him for a legal aid fee.
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which allowed the man, who had been jailed for plotting to supply cannabis, to hold on to assets estimated at £4.5 million.
His assets had been frozen while the Crown Prosecution Service began proceedings to confiscate one-third of them, arguing they were the product of the man's criminal lifestyle.
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I would argue there should be ways to force lawyers to take on cases for legal aid rather than letting them cherrypick the lucrative cases.
About four hundred quid to stand up in court.
Say
"My client pleads not guilty and wishes to apply to be released on Bail, he'll be a good boy, honest. I know he's already on bail 4 times over already but he's changed, honest gov... errr My lordship"
Then in a few months time
"I know I said he's pleading Not Guilty but I can't get him off on that, I know I've wasted the time of the Police, Courts and witnesses but he'll plead guilty and take the 1/3rd off the sentence thank-you-very-much. Oh and please don't send my client to jail, he's had a hard life and stuck in a spiral of drugs and light-fingeredness but he's changed now, honest. Plus when he gets lifted again I'll trouser another couple of hundred quid from the system for defending the horrible wee scrote."
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06-05-2008, 20:29
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Re: "Tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime"
Could it happen anywhere else ???? 
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07-05-2008, 20:11
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Re: "Tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime"
Yet more common sense from the authorities - I mean this sort of behaviour is unforgiveable:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/cumbria/7387240.stm
and to give more credit where it's due, they're also cracking down on dangerous thugs like this:
http://www.thisisgloucestershire.co....entPK=20562027
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08-05-2008, 15:42
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Re: "Tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime"
And another:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/devon/7390034.stm
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08-05-2008, 16:02
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Re: "Tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime"
Nothing seems to suprise me these days.
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08-05-2008, 17:15
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Re: "Tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime"
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if i were the judge he would have left court wearing a ball and chain
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08-05-2008, 20:42
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Re: "Tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime"
and I wonder how 'tough' are they going to be on these two scumbags?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/7390666.stm
Probably won't be able to send them back to South Africa after they've done their time as it almost certainly won't be safe enough for them!
and it seems like there's no justice for this family either:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/somerset/7363364.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/7390768.stm
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08-05-2008, 22:54
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Re: "Tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime"
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Well it seems the last one was down to people not wanting to 'grass' on another.
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09-05-2008, 09:14
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Re: "Tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime"
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Well it seems the last one was down to people not wanting to 'grass' on another.
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But witnesses did come forward and gave an account in court of what happened...
"Mr Ford said many witnesses would give different accounts of what they saw on New Year's Day 2007.
One witness, Jessica Jones, saw the defendant launch a "frenzied attack" on Mr Kelly, Mr Ford said.
He added: "She saw him (Mr Dixon) strike Mr Kelly several times to the chest and stomach areas. "She describes the affect of the attack as seeing Paul Kelly take a couple of steps forward and then fell face down and didn't move again." "
In cases like the refusal of witnesses to give evidence out of loyalty or indeed fear of reprisals is common but how many witnesses does it take ?? 
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Will they finally get tough on this guy I wonder ?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/w...re/7391674.stm
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09-05-2008, 09:46
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But witnesses did come forward and gave an account in court of what happened...
" Mr Ford said many witnesses would give different accounts of what they saw on New Year's Day 2007.
One witness, Jessica Jones, saw the defendant launch a "frenzied attack" on Mr Kelly, Mr Ford said.
He added: "She saw him (Mr Dixon) strike Mr Kelly several times to the chest and stomach areas. "She describes the affect of the attack as seeing Paul Kelly take a couple of steps forward and then fell face down and didn't move again." "
In cases like the refusal of witnesses to give evidence out of loyalty or indeed fear of reprisals is common but how many witnesses does it take ?? |
I think the sentence I've highlighted says it all really.Possibly there were too many differing accounts and it was too confusing for the jury?
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09-05-2008, 11:08
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Re: "Tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime"
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I think the sentence I've highlighted says it all really.Possibly there were too many differing accounts and it was too confusing for the jury?
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Mr Ford was the prosecutor though - hardly his job to sew seeds of doubt in the jury I'd have thought.
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09-05-2008, 13:34
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Re: "Tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime"
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/w...re/7391674.stm
Hoorah - some common sense at last!!
.....providing of course that some do gooder somewhere doesn't ensure his sentence is reduced on appeal ....
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09-05-2008, 13:47
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Re: "Tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime"
Surely there's some mistake, the judge missed the decimal point out?
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10-05-2008, 10:17
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