Fitna the Movie: Geert Wilders' film about the Quran (English)

ginge51 · 28-03-2008, 00:57

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=7d9_1206624103

It finnaly has been released on liveleak after network solutions pulled it.(free speech n all

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Discuss.

papa smurf · 28-03-2008, 07:40

only had time to watch half got to go to work ,hope its still here when i get home, very disturbing.

TheNorm · 28-03-2008, 10:56

Hmmm...

Somebody spent a lot of time (and probably money) on a propaganda film. Why? Is there an election coming up?

Similar films could (and probably have) been made about the IRA and the Bible, or Israelis and the Torah, or whatever.

The majority of Muslims are hard working, decent people. What is the point of stirring up hatred? What can be gained except more hatred?

tweetypie/8 · 28-03-2008, 12:16

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Originally Posted by TheNorm

Hmmm...

Somebody spent a lot of time (and probably money) on a propaganda film. Why? Is there an election coming up?

Similar films could (and probably have) been made about the IRA and the Bible, or Israelis and the Torah, or whatever.

The majority of Muslims are hard working, decent people. What is the point of stirring up hatred? What can be gained except more hatred?

you got it in one norm.

handyman · 28-03-2008, 13:37

Very disturbing. I'm glad however that this does not represent the fast majority of muslims( I hope so anyway).

However because we allow other cultures thier own freedom in europe then there would be nothing to stop this sort of thing getting to a criticle mass and becoming a huge problem.

The video says that we have defeated both Communism and the Nazis but they were to some degree confined within borders. This threat would be tightly intergrated within our own society.

foreverwar · 28-03-2008, 17:32

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Originally Posted by handyman

Very disturbing. I'm glad however that this does not represent the fast majority of muslims( I hope so anyway).

However because we allow other cultures thier own freedom in europe then there would be nothing to stop this sort of thing getting to a criticle mass and becoming a huge problem.

The video says that we have defeated both Communism and the Nazis but they were to some degree confined within borders. This threat would be tightly intergrated within our own society.

I think you will find that neither the Nazis or the Communists had much respect for borders (Polish, French, Czech, Belgian, etc etc).

papa smurf · 28-03-2008, 17:46

no shortage of nutters on that vid , but every religions got some.

ginge51 · 29-03-2008, 09:20

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Originally Posted by TheNorm

Hmmm...

Somebody spent a lot of time (and probably money) on a propaganda film. Why? Is there an election coming up?

Similar films could (and probably have) been made about the IRA and the Bible, or Israelis and the Torah, or whatever.

The majority of Muslims are hard working, decent people. What is the point of stirring up hatred? What can be gained except more hatred?

Well liveleak have had to pull the film because this "peaceful" religion has yet again given out threats to liveleak.
Idiots, It's about time we stood up for our rights in this and every other country in the west while we still have them.

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Originally Posted by TheNorm

Hmmm...

Somebody spent a lot of time (and probably money) on a propaganda film. Why? Is there an election coming up?

Similar films could (and probably have) been made about the IRA and the Bible, or Israelis and the Torah, or whatever.

The majority of Muslims are hard working, decent people. What is the point of stirring up hatred? What can be gained except more hatred?

It's not "stirring up hatred" It's " freedom of speech".

The reason it was removed from liveleak.

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Following threats to our staff of a very serious nature, and some ill informed reports from certain corners of the British media that could directly lead to the harm of some of our staff, Liveleak.com has been left with no other choice but to remove Fitna from our servers.
This is a sad day for freedom of speech on the net but we have to place the safety and well being of our staff above all else. We would like to thank the thousands of people, from all backgrounds and religions, who gave us their support. They realised LiveLeak.com is a vehicle for many opinions and not just for the support of one.
Perhaps there is still hope that this situation may produce a discussion that could benefit and educate all of us as to how we can accept one anothers culture.
We stood for what we believe in, the ability to be heard, but in the end the price was too high.

Yeah peaceful religion this is isn't it?
Tbh i hope loads more films like this are made us westerners need to be woken up against this so called "peaceful religion".
Shocking.

TheNorm · 29-03-2008, 10:18

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Originally Posted by ginge51

Well liveleak have had to pull the film because this "peaceful" religion has yet again given out threats to liveleak....

It isn't the religion that is at fault, it is the people. A bit like the mafia dons who go to church.

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...It's not "stirring up hatred" It's " freedom of speech"....

Freedom of speech does not mean you have the right to scream "fire!" in a crowded theatre.

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...The reason it was removed from liveleak...."Perhaps there is still hope that this situation may produce a discussion that could benefit and educate all of us as to how we can accept one anothers culture."...

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...Yeah peaceful religion this is isn't it?....

OK, to use your words - which religion would you describe as being peaceful?

anti_ignorance · 29-03-2008, 11:43

Dear Westerners ,

I am not part of any organized religion and I believe in what Mao Zedong said
“Going After Religion is Like Drinking a Cup of Poison”

There is no doubt that religions become dangerous if they are followed step by step, for they are thousands years old ideologies.

In the past decade Muslims have been blamed and hated for certain things that have been happening in the western world, as once where the Japanese, Germans, Italians, and Russian (Communists) and soon the Chinese.

Its true that the Islamist extremists, those rich Sheiks brain wash some misfortunate young muslims to do the horrible things that they are doing such as 9/11 tragedy, and they are not only doing to the western world, they are also doing it to the muslim world like what they did in Afghanistan with the Taliban and now in Iraq and ..... But the interesting part is that your governments are close friends with those Sheiks now. Like they were with Bin Laden and his buddies during the cold war. Now enemies!! What went wrong? Share of power?

You are fortunate people who are educated and live in free and modern societies, but you know so little about the rest of the world, you only see the shells of the things that happen around the world, and a very small number of you try to look deeper. I don’t blame you for it, for you live in peace and harmony, pay your taxes and trust your leaders.

But your leaders are not as they appear to you, some angels who wants to liberate the world kill the evil ones and free the people. They also massacred thousands and thousands of innocent people in the name of democracy. Please don’t be so naive and believe everything you are told.

Don’t get hot and start judging Just by watching a video that anybody could have made it by copying clips from Youtube. These are all done to get more of your support for the wars.

I bet many people by watching this video are now saying bomb more of those DoonCoon *******s. As everybody was saying right after 9/11, “destroy Afghanistan and kill everyone”. But few of you knew back then and know now that non of the 19 terrorist hijackers and nor Bin Laden where from Afghanistan and the bloody Taliban came to power by the fund of Saudis and help of pakistanis, who are the closest friends of the US and UK in the Muslim world. Laden family had close ties with US leaders and with the request of US Bin Laden went to Afghanistan to fight USSR. ANd ruined Afghanistan. I am not saying that you should start blaming Saudis and Pakistanis now. I am saying it that there are much more things like these happened and are happening that you don’t know about and nor bother to know.

The truth will come out one day when people will know what/who really was behind all these events that put tears in the eyes of many people and broke many hearts.

Its all pre-planned politics!

Greed + Religion + Capitalism + Conspiracy +Terrorists = 9/11 + wars = Sorrow and Pain

So please try to understand and stop your governments from lying to you and creating more enemies for you.

Thank you for reading,

A. I

My thread was removed from LiveLeak.com and I was banned for saying this. when hundreds of hatred posts are there such as these few.

What are they trying to do?
Making a film like that, that cause problems and gaps between people is freedom of speech, but writing writing an article like this is not.

Here are some of the quotes from people on Fitana,

By:sariel-777
Watched it......should I be out hunting down the muslim hoards now?
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By:chadmichael81
Allah can kiss you know what....If I were a regular muslim, I would be ****ed as hell that these idiots are making my religion look like ####…
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By: radgy
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Originally Posted by sariel-777
Watched it......should I be out hunting down the muslim hoards now?

no,that start’s next teusday
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By:radgy
beyond implying that a good way is to deport people/ cap immigration rates/ bomb them.
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By:foramerica
Excellent movie! I just wonder why our governments cannot do anything in order to stop migrations of muslims to USA, UK and Europe.
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**Rob** · 29-03-2008, 12:41

Anti_Ignorance I do hope you not come here just to plaster that single message on the board, and will be staying around to offer a constructive debate.

anti_ignorance · 29-03-2008, 15:50

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Originally Posted by Rob

Anti_Ignorance I do hope you not come here just to plaster that single message on the board, and will be staying around to offer a constructive debate.

Hey Rob,
I am here for any further debate.

downquark1 · 29-03-2008, 16:15

Yay an excuse to get my qur'an out:

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Originally Posted by Surah 8 :58-61

And if you learn of treachery on the part of any people, throw their treaty back at them, for God does not love the treacherous. The disbelievers should not think they have won; they cannot escape. Prepare whatever forces you [believers] can muster, including war horses to frighten off God's enemies and yours,and warn others unknown to you but known to God. Whatever you give in God's cause will be repaid in full and you will not be wronged. But if they incline towards peace, you must also incline towards it, and put your trust in God...

In the film frighten off was replaced with terror. (of course this could just be down to the translation they used). And the bit about making peace was omitted.

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Hmm, the quote about the skin burning(surrah 4:56) doesn't seem that out of context.

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Originally Posted by Surah 17 Verse 4

When you meet the disbelievers in battle, strike them in the neck, and once they are defeated, bind any captives firmly - later you can release them by grace or by ransom- until the toils of war have ended. That [is the way]. God could have defeated them Himself if He had willed it, but His purpose is to test some of you by means of others. He will not let the deeds of those who killed for His cause come to nothing.

Nothing about a bloodbath in my version, and there was nothing about releasing captives in the films version. Still I think trying to put a positive spin on this is kinda hollow.

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Originally Posted by Surah 4:88-91

They would dearly like you to reject, as they themselves have done, to be like them. So do not take allies until they migrate [to Medina] for God's cause. If they turn [on you], then cease and kill them wherever you encounter them. Take none of them as an ally or supporter. But as for those who seek refuge with people with whom you have a treaty, or who come over to you because their hearts shrink from fighting against you or against their own people, God could have given them power over you, and they would have fought you. So if they withdraw and do not fight you, and offer you peace, then God gives them no way against them.

Bold bits only appear in the film quotation.

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Originally Posted by Surah 8:38-39

Tell the disbelievers that if they desist their past will be forgiven, but if they persist, they have an example in the fate of those who went before. Fight them until there is no more persecution, and all worship is devoted to God alone, if they desist, then God sees all that they do.

The bold bit is the quote from the movie, again it left out any bits about forgiveness.

All in all the film is more close to actual quotations than most creationist and Jehovah's witness material out there.

DocDutch · 29-03-2008, 16:20

I'm soo not happy being dutch now with that ******* in parliament...

what makes me wonder is that people did vote for him to go into parliament

thank god I'm not in holland anymore. and I think I know 1 more person here on CF that prolly feels the same.

**David F** · 29-03-2008, 16:20

Its on the newsgroups in flv so only small if anyone still wants to see it