Multiple abortions

[Osem]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7306246.stm

Apparently some 30 teenage girls a week are attending clinics for their 2nd or even 3rd abortions

Surely this somewhat flies in the face of persistent claims by certain pressure groups that abortions aren't being used as a method of contraception and are always taken seriously by women.

[David F]

yeah we all believed that didnt we

[foreverwar]

Originally Posted by Osem

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7306246.stm

Apparently some 30 teenage girls a week are attending clinics for their 2nd or even 3rd abortions

Surely this somewhat flies in the face of persistent claims by certain pressure groups that abortions aren't being used as a method of contraception and are always taken seriously by women.

Whilst I agree that abortion should not be seen as an alternative to contraception, nothing in the article quoted supports your first sentence.

It states
The statistics, for 2006, showed nearly 15,000 women were having their third or more abortion, while 54 of those had terminated eight or more pregnancies

and
And of the 54 who had had eight or more abortions, 21 of them were under the age of 30.

In fact, the last but one paragraphs state
She said the figures suggested that most women having repeat abortions fell pregnant as "a result of contraceptive failure", having "completed their family, rather than any recklessness". "The longer you are sexually active, the more likely you are to have an unwanted pregnancy or experience contraceptive failure."

[Xaccers]

Exactly, the pill, condoms, coil, injection, implant, even vasectomies can still result in pregnancies.

Interesting how the BBC portrayed the statistics regarding the 54 with 8 or more, rather than stating, as suggested by the quote, that 33 were over 30 years old (ie the majority), they try to put it into the reader's mind the idea that they're being used through recklessness by suggesting youngsters are using it so often, leaving the reader (who's generally lazy) to do the maths.

[BBKing]

persistent claims by certain pressure groups

What pressure groups? What claims?

Demand for abortion is higher in countries with poor sex education and an unhealthy attitude to sexual activity in the young. Try focusing attention on fixing those.

[David F]

I will get flamed for this but I personally think abortion for any other reason than severe handicapped is tantamount to murder . Abortion for choice imo is just wrong .

[Escapee]

Originally Posted by Xaccers

Exactly, the pill, condoms, coil, injection, implant, even vasectomies can still result in pregnancies.

Interesting how the BBC portrayed the statistics regarding the 54 with 8 or more, rather than stating, as suggested by the quote, that 33 were over 30 years old (ie the majority), they try to put it into the reader's mind the idea that they're being used through recklessness by suggesting youngsters are using it so often, leaving the reader (who's generally lazy) to do the maths.

I doubt the BBC would twist a story or not report a story that didn't suit their agenda.

Youngsters around here seem to be very reluctant to have abortions. The 80's phase of teenagers getting pregnant, being a meal ticket passed but now we seem to be going full circle again.

[Vlad_Dracul]

Originally Posted by zinglebarb

I will get flamed for this but I personally think abortion for any other reason than severe handicapped is tantamount to murder . Abortion for choice imo is just wrong .

If we can create them courtesy of a couple of Creamfield tickets or similar,surely we can terminate them just as easily?

[G UK]

Originally Posted by zinglebarb

I will get flamed for this but I personally think abortion for any other reason than severe handicapped is tantamount to murder . Abortion for choice imo is just wrong .

I wont flame you, after all your entitled to your opinion.

Personally I believe abortion is fine if the parents either cant or are not willing to bring the child up. A child with parents that dont want it is more likely (note: not guarenteed) to become a drain on society in one way or another and this world is overpopulated enough as it is.

Now I'm wondering whether I'll get flamed. Now wheres that flame retardent suit.

[David F]

Originally Posted by Vlad_Dracul

If we can create them courtesy of a couple of Creamfield tickets or similar,surely we can terminate them just as easily?

Its very easy to terminate any life you just have to press hard enough in the right places only after a human is outside of his/her mothers body it will be murder but while its " under the protection" of the mothers womb its ok to kill the child

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Originally Posted by G UK

I wont flame you, after all your entitled to your opinion.

Personally I believe abortion is fine if the parents either cant or are not willing to bring the child up. A child with parents that dont want it is more likely (note: not guarenteed) to become a drain on society in one way or another and this world is overpopulated enough as it is.

Now I'm wondering whether I'll get flamed. Now wheres that flame retardent suit.

they are willing enough to have sex and lets be real the majority are not a slip through from condoms coil or cap or the 1 or 2% chance if using the pill they are people who just do not bother to take precautions.These are the cases the lack of responsability and because they could not be bothered to wear a jacket or take a pill they "choose" to kill something that will become a baby its just wrong

[G UK]

Originally Posted by zinglebarb

Its very easy to terminate any life you just have to press hard enough in the right places only after a human is outside of his/her mothers body it will be murder but while its " under the protection" of the mothers womb its ok to kill the child

To be honest its all grey areas and as humans we dont deal well with grey areas. When does a foetus become a human in the eyes of the law?

I'm glad I'm not the one having to come up with the law to make that distinction.

[David F]

well I know for a fact they still terminate after a foetus is viable. A friend of my ex wife gave birth at 22 weeks and the child survived at that time they still terminated at 24 weeks. I do not know if thats still the case

[Escapee]

Originally Posted by zinglebarb

Its very easy to terminate any life you just have to press hard enough in the right places only after a human is outside of his/her mothers body it will be murder but while its " under the protection" of the mothers womb its ok to kill the child

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they are willing enough to have sex and lets be real the majority are not a slip through from condoms coil or cap or the 1 or 2% chance if using the pill they are people who just do not bother to take precautions.These are the cases the lack of responsability and because they could not be bothered to wear a jacket or take a pill they "choose" to kill something that will become a baby its just wrong

I know a 19yr old who is pregnant, although its not a nice thing for me to say but to be honest the best thing she could do is have an abortion. She is shacked up with a drug taking, drug dealing, car thieving, benfit claiming, piece of scum.

I certainly wouldn't leave him to look after a child.

[David F]

But the birth of this child could turn the girls life around pull her out of her rut and make her a good life. The child could cure cancer or similar for all we know or even help to bring world peace. All that potential could be squatted out by a simple choice. Of course none of that could happen but the point is if the child is killed before it can even be born then its then capable of nothing

[Escapee]

Originally Posted by zinglebarb

But the birth of this child could turn the girls life around pull her out of her rut and make her a good life. The child could cure cancer or similar for all we know or even help to bring world peace. All that potential could be squatted out by a simple choice. Of course none of that could happen but the point is if the child is killed before it can even be born then its then capable of nothing

I believe the girl should not have a child until she is in a relationship with someone who is repectable, behaves like a future father should and has demonstrated that they would love and care for a child.

I would lay a fair amount of cash on this guy leaving her within 3 months of the child being born.