James Bulger's 18th birthday

[Peter_]

Originally Posted by mephistophelean

there is no factual evidence that James Bulger had been sexually molested! to try to claim otherwise is pure scaremongering, which I'm sure it is done to raise the anger levels within our communities!

Remove your blinkers and read the post above this one of your and the link, or does it not tick all the boxes that you want ticked.

You and Flyboy dismiss everything as you both think you know better when you obviously do not.

[martyh]

i can't believe that mephistophelean and Flyboy havn't bothered to research a bit before commenting
As Mr Angry said the official info is out there all they need to do is look

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Flyboy

In other words, you really have no idea.

Can you prove him wrong ?

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Originally Posted by martyh

i can't believe that mephistophelean and Flyboy havn't bothered to research a bit before commenting
As Mr Angry said the official info is out there all they need to do is look

between the two of them they are more interested in the rights of the murderers than the victim

[Chris]

Originally Posted by mephistophelean

there is no factual evidence that James Bulger had been sexually molested! to try to claim otherwise is pure scaremongering, which I'm sure it is done to raise the anger levels within our communities!

Actually, as was posted earlier, there is plenty. What there isn't, is any testing of that evidence in Court, for reasons also posted earlier.

On balance I'd say it's unsafe to bandy around labels like 'paedophile', but on the other hand you could do with being a little less blinkered in your view.

[RizzyKing]

We have two people using this thread for completely the wrong reasons they are using it to make attacks and question the integrity of victims in one of their case and enough is enough. Neither of them are interested in anything that contradicts their held belief and nothing anyone on here says or provides proof to will alter that. I suggest those of us with a rational and despite the accusations open mind leave this thread now for the fantasists.

I cannot imagine for one minute the pain and suffering of Denis Fergus and although what has been said is within the rules of the site i am pretty sure it would only add more hurt were she or a member of her family to read it and it sure as hell is no indication of this forum on a routine basis or the members of this forum.

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

We have two people using this thread for completely the wrong reasons they are using it to make attacks and question the integrity of victims in one of their case and enough is enough. Neither of them are interested in anything that contradicts their held belief and nothing anyone on here says or provides proof to will alter that. I suggest those of us with a rational and despite the accusations open mind leave this thread now for the fantasists.

I cannot imagine for one minute the pain and suffering of Denis Fergus and although what has been said is within the rules of the site i am pretty sure it would only add more hurt were she or a member of her family to read it and it sure as hell is no indication of this forum on a routine basis or the members of this forum.

Agreed

[martyh]

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

We have two people using this thread for completely the wrong reasons they are using it to make attacks and question the integrity of victims in one of their case and enough is enough. Neither of them are interested in anything that contradicts their held belief and nothing anyone on here says or provides proof to will alter that. I suggest those of us with a rational and despite the accusations open mind leave this thread now for the fantasists.

I cannot imagine for one minute the pain and suffering of Denis Fergus and although what has been said is within the rules of the site i am pretty sure it would only add more hurt were she or a member of her family to read it and it sure as hell is no indication of this forum on a routine basis or the members of this forum.

well said Rizzy you make perfect sense

[Flyboy]

Originally Posted by Russ

Did you miss the post before yours?

I didn't. It claimed that there was a possibility that the allegations were true, but stopped short of actually saying it. That does not constitute as evidence or proof. Unless you would like to suggest that rumour and conjecture are sufficient. That aside, if the reputed reasons for the batteries' being close by were true, I would presume, as the boys' ages would indicate, it would then have to be proved that it was sexually motivated, in order for it to be considered a sexual offense.

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Originally Posted by martyh

i can't believe that mephistophelean and Flyboy havn't bothered to research a bit before commenting
As Mr Angry said the official info is out there all they need to do is look

The article does not prove a thing. What it does say however, is that no evidence was presented before the court that would prove any sexual offense occurred. Unless I read it wrong. If I did, perhaps you could point to where I have made my mistake.

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Originally Posted by Moldova

Remove your blinkers and read the post above this one of your and the link, or does it not tick all the boxes that you want ticked.

You and Flyboy dismiss everything as you both think you know better when you obviously do not.

And what do you know exactly, which has been proven?

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Originally Posted by Sirius

Can you prove him wrong ?

I think that was done by Mr Angry, whether or not he did it intentionally.

between the two of them they are more interested in the rights of the murderers than the victim

Yes, of course I am.

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Originally Posted by Chris

Actually, as was posted earlier, there is plenty. What there isn't, is any testing of that evidence in Court, for reasons also posted earlier.

On balance I'd say it's unsafe to bandy around labels like 'paedophile', but on the other hand you could do with being a little less blinkered in your view.

I agree with part of your remarks. For my part I am just countering the absurd knee jerk reactions to tabloid-led hysteria.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Flyboy

I didn't. It claimed that there was a possibility that the allegations were true, but stopped short of actually saying it. That does not constitute as evidence or proof. Unless you would like to suggest that rumour and conjecture are sufficient. That aside, if the reputed reasons for the batteries' being close by were true, I would presume, as the boys' ages would indicate, it would then have to be proved that it was sexually motivated, in order for it to be considered a sexual offense.

Right. So why have the allegations of sexual abuse not been denied then? And please, try a bit harder than "they didn't think it worthwhile". Real answers please, not cop-outs.

[Flyboy]

I would imagine that as they weren't actually charged with the offenses you suggest, that there was no need to defend them. Do you really believe that Jon Venables and Robert Thompson would risk their anonymity to prosecute a libel action in court.

[Peter_]

Originally Posted by Flyboy

I would imagine that as they weren't actually charged with the offenses you suggest, that there was no need to defend them. Do you really believe that Jon Venables and Robert Thompson would risk their anonymity to prosecute a libel action in court.

You are so blinkered it is unreal and you denial that those 2 monsters are not actually culpable for their killing of James is unbelievable.

They planned to abduct and kill a child and one possibilty was pushing their victim in front of a car, but they did even more horrific acts to James and you seem to think that we should just pat them on the back and say it is alright you were only a 10 year old child not a monster.

If they had not been caught we would probably have had the 2 youngest serial killers in history as they now had a taste for killing.

Any normal person would be horrified about what they did but you glibly accept it as a none issue, so I and many others on here feel that you should seek out some proffesional help and stop trying to twist the horror they caused into something approaching normallity.

[mephistophelean]

there is no evidence of sexual activity...the activity that has been described could may not have any real sexual connotations. In fact the Nazi's did things to their victims that some people would define simply as sexual but it was more as a tool to degrade and humiliate their victim. There was no real sexual motive in their actions. THis could easily have been theh case concerning Venables and Thompson. And if one argues that it does indicate a sexual motive then one is making the claim that ten year olds are sexual yet the professionals in society claim that sexualisation of children don't really begin until they reach puberty. And we all know that ten year old havn't reached puberty. But of course we can make claims that this was learnt behaviour. Which I doubt in this case. And as for withholding information pertaining to a crime during court proceedings just to protect the families sensitivities are ludercrious, especially since they appeared in printed form on the covers of our sleazy tabloids. And if this was the case and that type of information was not discussed in open court it should never have been put into the public domain. The fact is that Venables and Thompson have been triend convicted for the murder of James Bulger and since then they had been released from custody. What ever crime they commit whilst at liberty is a matter for our legal system to sort out not you lot with the lynch mob mentality of followers of a women who is only interested in revenge. With views that have been expressed in these threads it makes me realise that we have a real problem with the british legal system. I hope that none of you that spread the bile that we have evil kids in society and that we should seek and spread hate ever sit as jurers.

[Peter_]

Originally Posted by mephistophelean

there is no evidence of sexual activity...the activity that has been described could may not have any real sexual connotations.

WOW still wearing your blinkers and refusing to read Mr Angrys link, what an odd and misguided person you are with your friend above.

[Maggy J]

I see this argu..er debate is no further forward than it was yesterday,or the day before.In fact it hasn't progressed anywhere.

Maybe it's time for some of us to perhaps put someone on ignore and stop posting in this thread.That would not be backing down, it would just be a cessation of hostilities aaaand would enable some of us to reduce our stress levels and avoid some of our CF members from being spanked..much as some of you deserve it..

[Mick]

Originally Posted by mephistophelean

there is no evidence of sexual activity...the activity that has been described could may not have any real sexual connotations. In fact the Nazi's did things to their victims that some people would define simply as sexual but it was more as a tool to degrade and humiliate their victim. There was no real sexual motive in their actions. THis could easily have been theh case concerning Venables and Thompson. And if one argues that it does indicate a sexual motive then one is making the claim that ten year olds are sexual yet the professionals in society claim that sexualisation of children don't really begin until they reach puberty. And we all know that ten year old havn't reached puberty. But of course we can make claims that this was learnt behaviour. Which I doubt in this case. And as for withholding information pertaining to a crime during court proceedings just to protect the families sensitivities are ludercrious, especially since they appeared in printed form on the covers of our sleazy tabloids. And if this was the case and that type of information was not discussed in open court it should never have been put into the public domain. The fact is that Venables and Thompson have been triend convicted for the murder of James Bulger and since then they had been released from custody. What ever crime they commit whilst at liberty is a matter for our legal system to sort out not you lot with the lynch mob mentality of followers of a women who is only interested in revenge. With views that have been expressed in these threads it makes me realise that we have a real problem with the british legal system. I hope that none of you that spread the bile that we have evil kids in society and that we should seek and spread hate ever sit as jurers.

Maggy? Did they used to spank kids for being lazy and not using paragraphs? ^^^^