James Bulger's 18th birthday - Page 21

mephistophelean · 18-03-2010, 14:29

I still find it hard to believe that there are people out there who still thinks that James Bulger was sexually abused. He was not! The batteries had been thrown at him and not inserted into his anus as the tabloids had stated. The tabloids that printed this story did it to make the story more gruesome for their dedicated readers. The Bulger case has shown me that we live in a spiteful and hate ridden country and that we believe that victims get nothing whilst the criminals get everything! This again is media lies! Our Prisons may be cushy compared with backward countrys prison systems. But if we want to humilate and degrade, abuse and torment criminals whilst they are in prison then I suggest we all get ourselves body guards because when these hardened and hateful criminals are released we will all feel it ten times worse than what we feel today! Hard prisons make for harder criminals. Venables and Thompson, I will argue, are not the most hated people in Britain simply because of their crime! No! I feel that tatty journalism has turned them into public number one. Had the Judge not released their identities after their trial, we, I bet, would have forgotten all about them. Just like we did with mary bell! Remember she killed more than one kid and she did it for pleasure. She has not had a campaign against her the way we have seen with Venables and Thompson. And she, it seems, has gotting on with her life without committing any further evil acts! We all need to move on and allow our legal system do what we pay it to do! We need to stop blinding ourselfs with hate that the media foster within our society. The media has caused alot of decay in society simply because we allow them! I will never say Thompson or venables are evil I will simply say that they did evil things on that day! And they have paid for that, whether we agree with the punishment or not. I will say those people who are promoting hatreds within society are doing evil acts! They are poisoning society! and we need to take a step back and not play their game!

Peter_ · 18-03-2010, 14:36

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Originally Posted by mephistophelean

I still find it hard to believe that there are people out there who still thinks that James Bulger was sexually abused. He was not! The batteries had been thrown at him and not inserted into his anus as the tabloids had stated.

They did abuse him sexually but you being so much in love with your own rants will not accept this and I pity you for being such a poor misguided fool.

Flyboy · 18-03-2010, 14:47

I presume you can show us where this is the case. Perhaps a copy of the trial transcript would be handy.

Peter_ · 18-03-2010, 14:51

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Originally Posted by Flyboy

I presume you can show us where this is the case. Perhaps a copy of the trial transcript would be handy.

Enough people heard and witnessed in court what those monsters did and do not like to speak about it to this day as it was horrific, if you chose as the fool above does to believe otherwise then that is up to you.

No one is going to provide or post transcripts of what they actually did so dream on.

superbiatch · 18-03-2010, 14:55

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Originally Posted by mephistophelean

I still find it hard to believe that there are people out there who still thinks that James Bulger was sexually abused. He was not!

And you can prove this how?

TheDaddy · 18-03-2010, 14:57

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Originally Posted by superbiatch

And you can prove this how?

Perhaps he has a copy of the trial transcript

Flyboy · 18-03-2010, 15:26

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Originally Posted by Moldova

Enough people heard and witnessed in court what those monsters did and do not like to speak about it to this day as it was horrific, if you chose as the fool above does to believe otherwise then that is up to you.

No one is going to provide or post transcripts of what they actually did so dream on.

In other words, you really have no idea.

Peter_ · 18-03-2010, 15:46

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Originally Posted by Flyboy

In other words, you really have no idea.

We in Liverpool have a lot more idea of what went on than you will ever know as other people from this area will confirm, you can believe what you want about this case but those 2 monsters deserve to be vilified by society for what they did.

The last post that someone posted with a description of his injuries I reported and asked for its removal due to this being a family forum, it was removed quite quickly by a member of the team.

Flyboy · 18-03-2010, 15:49

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Originally Posted by Moldova

We in Liverpool have a lot more idea of what went on than you will ever know as other people from this area will confirm, you can believe what you want about this case but those 2 monsters deserve to be vilified by society for what they did.

The last post that someone posted with a description of his injuries I reported and asked for its removal due to this being a family forum, it was removed quite quickly by a member of the team.

Then perhaps you could point us in the right direction to find out? The point is, you, nor anyone else, have any proof of what you are saying. You have not read the trial transcripts, nor were you there. All you are doing is basing an assumption, gleaned from a biased press.

**Russ** · 18-03-2010, 15:51

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Originally Posted by Flyboy

Then perhaps you could point us in the right direction to find out? The point is, you, nor anyone else, have any proof of what you are saying. You have not read the trial transcripts, nor were you there. All you are doing is basing an assumption, gleaned from a biased press.

So why is when it's been alleged in the media that the child was sexually abused, no-one has come out and denied it?

Flyboy · 18-03-2010, 15:53

Alleged being the operative word. I have no proof in either way, I just find it distasteful that others are so willing to believe what they are told by the Daily Heil and The Sun et al.

I would make the assumption that, as not many people were aware of this aspect of the case, it wasn't worth debating.

**Russ** · 18-03-2010, 15:56

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Originally Posted by Flyboy

Alleged being the operative word. I have no proof in either way, I just find it distasteful that others are so willing to believe what they are told by the Daily Heil and The Sun et al.

I would make the assumption, that as not many people were aware of this aspect of the case, that it wasn't worth debating.

That's a pretty weak suggestion. There seem to be plenty of misguided folk coming out in support of Venables and Thompson when it's said they deserved to be tried in an adult court, that they should have had life, that they shouldn't have new identities. Why not defend them over something like sexual abuse allegations? Seems pretty obvious to me especially if they don't want the pair painted in any worse a picture than they already are?

Or, perhaps let me guess, you think it wasn't worth the effort?

Mr Angry · 18-03-2010, 16:24

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Originally Posted by Flyboy

Then perhaps you could point us in the right direction to find out? The point is, you, nor anyone else, have any proof of what you are saying. You have not read the trial transcripts, nor were you there. All you are doing is basing an assumption, gleaned from a biased press.

From a legally undisputed article published in the Independent a year after the convictions:

"Many in the court and beyond suspected that something terrible must have happened in these boys that finally drove them to this frenzy. But the legal system not only precluded the possibility of delving into their lives, it led to the suppression of evidence.

The intention was kind: to do everything possible to avoid adding to the suffering of James Bulger's parents. Thus an agreement was struck between prosecution and defence to the effect that, the forensic evidence entirely proving the case against the two defendants, certain injuries the child suffered would not be mentioned to the jury.

Under the system as it stands, it was a reasonable decision: this evidence, which certainly would have led to prurience in the media, was not necessary to the case. The prosecution had all they needed to prove murder. The fact that it was necessary in order to indicate the two boys' disturbance was, as we will see, not part of the case.

The police, although perhaps more anxious than anyone else to protect the Bulgers' feelings, did their duty: their careful interrogations of the two boys, almost all of which were played to the court on tape, repeatedly touched upon the suspected sexual element of the crime. James's shoes and stockings, trousers and underpants had been taken off. And the pathologist's report read out in court recorded that the child's foreskin had been manipulated.

That this information remained in the report was already beyond the agreement that had been reached. Detective Superintendent Albert Kirby, who led the investigation, knew about the agreement: 'But I felt that the jury had a right to know at least that much,' he told me.

Knowing only 'that much', however, was not enough. Even though nobody who listened to the interrogations could fail to notice both boys' desperate discomfort when questioned both about handling Jamie's private parts and about some batteries found near the toddler's body, here the tapes and the official record stopped."

For those minded to look hard enough for them there are interview transcripts available which corroborate the sexual nature / overtones of certain aspects of the attack.

mephistophelean · 18-03-2010, 18:45

there is no factual evidence that James Bulger had been sexually molested! to try to claim otherwise is pure scaremongering, which I'm sure it is done to raise the anger levels within our communities!

**Russ** · 18-03-2010, 18:47

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Originally Posted by mephistophelean

there is no factual evidence that James Bulger had been sexually molested! to try to claim otherwise is pure scaremongering, which I'm sure it is done to raise the anger levels within our communities!

Did you miss the post before yours?