James Bulger's 18th birthday

[Peter_]

Originally Posted by mephistophelean

##snipped to remove the sad childish rant

You are beyond any help and I wonder who you see in the mirror.

[Paul M]

Thats enough. Stick to the topic, not the poster. They have every right to post their view within the T&C's of this forum.

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by mephistophelean

All invididuals who wish to see the death and destruction of Venables and Thomspon are no lovers of justice. They are the people who support vigilantism and have a cheek to dress it up as justice. They ain't any better than the people who supported Hitler's world view of justice!
We all know what they did was unforgivable and not to be forgotten. But to sink to the depraved acceptance of Denise Fergus views on law and order is to send us back to live like cavemen. Justice has to be dealt out by rational and logical thinking people...not hate mobs who think their views are the only acceptable views. This reflects BNP views!

While I agree with your views on Vigilantism (it certainly isn't justice and actually does more harm than good), I cannot agree with your opinion of Denise Fergus.

All it could have taken for Jamie to disappear is her looking away for 2 seconds (something which thousands of mothers do, and it doesn't make them bad mothers) and him wandering into a crowd.

The two guys could have grabbed him while she was looking for him.

You could argue that she should have put a harness on him, and maybe she should (assuming you can get them now), but is that a good reason to spout bile?

As for giving venebles and the other one new identities, whether this is right or wrong, it was made necessary by the media whipping people up in a frenzy of hatred. They did it back when Jamie was murdered, and the recent imprisonment of Venebles gave them a week of front pages.

I suspect it also made them a lot of money. Maybe the publishers should pay for the new identities?

[RizzyKing]

Guess i am a nazi as well as a bad parent because there have been times where i was out with my kids and took my eye off one of them for a few seconds. Fortunately i didn't lose one to two sadistic children who despite whatever their defenders say knew what they were doing and knew they were torturing and hurting that little boy.

There is no such thing as a perfect parent we all make mistakes at some time most of us are lucky in that we don't get the ultimate punishment for those lapses. Attacking the mother of Jamie Bulger is about as low as you can go it really is and most decent people will understand how it can happen and will forever have sympathy with her.

[Mick]

Originally Posted by mephistophelean

DENISE FERGUS has never wanted Venables or Thompson to ever succeed as law abidding citizens! She does not believe in rehabilitation!

Neither do I - How many times have offenders re-offended after rehabilitation? Thus therein lies a flaw in your argument (One of many by the way) - And just why the hell should she believe in it, in those pair of child killers? - Those bloody monsters took her baby away from her why should she give a damn about how their life turns out, they should never have been released-end of. I really think you don't have a clue on family values and think next time before you post - because next time you do post such nonsense - I may have the urge to delete it, you may be entitled to your views within the context of our sites terms of use - but also consider that highly objectionable views will not be tolerated.

[Escapee]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8565619.stm

This is England children commissioner Maggie Atkinson's way of putting it.

"What they did was exceptionally unpleasant and the fact that a little boy ended up dead is not something the nation can easily forget, but they shouldn't have been tried in an adult court because they were still children,"

So what they did to James Bulger was 'Exceptionally unpleasant', I guess that's one way to describe it.

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Escapee

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8565619.stm

This is England children commissioner Maggie Atkinson's way of putting it.




So what they did to James Bulger was 'Exceptionally unpleasant', I guess that's one way to describe it.

That is tree huger speak.

Originally Posted by Sirius

That is tree huger speak.

Nope, its the talk of the liberal elite that are tearing Britain apart in their drive for civilization of the lowest common denominator....

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Earl of Bronze

Nope, its the talk of the liberal elite that are tearing Britain apart in their drive for civilization of the lowest common denominator....

Well that put it at bit better than i did

[mephistophelean]

Firstly, I don't have to politically correct. Secondly. When a two-year-old toddler is out shopping with his mother, then the mother has a responsibilty to keep her eyes on her child! If something happens to that child then the mother has to accept some blame. I believe that she knows she was at fault and that guilt is what drives her tatty campaign. She, as far as Im concerned is the wrong kind of victim. She thinks she has somehow got Super-Victim-Status. Which means she can demand more rights than any other victim! This makes her delusional! I do have smpathy for James Bulgers wider family for their lose, but I will never grieve for or with a foul mouthed, hate ridden woman who has used her imaginary Super-Victim Status to further her own agenda. I view her Lynch mob mentality as sickening and by saying this I don't really care about being in a minority. The state has punished Venables and Thompson for their crime, whether we agreed with the sentence or not. Justice in this case has been served. Any present or future offences are a matter of the courts and should have no bearing with James's family. To demand that it should puts you into the lynch mob mentality!

We must remember that the killers where two ten-year olds! what if your ten year-old killed someone, would you want society to treat him like they have treated Venables and Thompson? No you would'nt. The sad fact is they should never have been tried as adults and their names should never have been revealed. The Judged who ordered the releasing of their names has done society a disservice!
As for media attention...They have regulary printed articles about him, some hitting the front pages....and all designed to keep the hate campaign going. And I'm sure most of them were lies as the tabloids are as honest as our politicians! The sad fact of all the hate that has been printed and the demands made by Mrs Fergus and her gallow boys, proves that a fair trial can never be! But of course, you lot will dissagree. There have been examples of prosecutions being dropped for the same reasons stated here. We need a trail by jury, not by media! People need to rewind the stuff that Densie Fergus has sprouted over the years. The day we give up or Justice or Fergus-Justice then I think its time to start building our concentration camps!

[RizzyKing]

Ok to take you head on m8 if one of my kids at age ten had commited the sort of act those other two lowlifes did you damn well better believe i would have supported the exact same treatment of them. Why because i would have a lot of blame if i bought up a ten year old to the point they did something like that and you know why there are not that many ten year olds doing same because parents have done their job right. Way you speak you do not have kids because if you did you would know that sometimes despite your best effort s the little sods get away from you no matter how observent you are it just happens.

Would i be the same as Denis Fergus if it happened to me yeah i would and i doubt that any amount of years would dim that fire of hatred i would feel because no parent would another reason why i don't think you have kids though i will wait and see if you do claim to have any. While i do put some blame on the parents of VT i also realise and know that at age ten no matter what some people might say they knew exactly what they were doing they knew it was wrong and they continueed long after a period i would have put down to youthful stupidity. So do most other adults in this country and that is why there is such hatred towards them you can say what you like but to do that at age ten there is something very very wrong in the upstairs department and unlike so many experts i do not think it can be controlled.

Has thompson been a model citizen we simply don't know he may also have had more then his share of breaches and run ins with the law and had them covered up we simply don't know so speculation is worthless but the possibility remains and thats what drives peoples opinions. There is no need for the language you use in relation to Denis Fergus and instead of constantly attacking her why not try for five seconds to see this from her point of view put yourself in her position and imagine the unending pain she feels day in and day out.

Her lads killers got eight years her and the rest of her family got a real life sentence.

[Rosiemay]

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

Her lads killers got eight years her and the rest of her family got a real life sentence.

Couldn't agree more. His killers have had a second chance at redeeming themselves. There were no second chances for James for anything. No-one can really imagine what she has gone through, over the years. I would imagine it's something you never get over.

Your personal attacks, Mephistophelean, on James' mother frankly are beneath contempt. The responsibility for James' death lies solely at the door of his killers. And no-one elses.

[Peter_]

Originally Posted by mephistophelean

I do have smpathy for James Bulgers wider family for their lose, but I will never grieve for or with a foul mouthed, hate ridden woman

The is something very wrong with your attitude and I put it down to stupidity and not having a child of your own as you would react in the same way she has if this ever happened to you.

[Kymmy]

Can I suggest that if people can't be civil to each other then they shouldn't post at all.. Everyone has a right to their own opinion, if you agree with it or not it doesn't give any member a right to attack others. If you don't like what someone is posting then do one of four things.

1# Discuss the matter sensibly using posts/PM/reps
2# Report the item if you believe it breaks any of the sites rules
3# Put the person on IGNORE http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/pr...?do=ignorelist
4# Leave the thread

PaulM has already posted to this effect there will now be no more warnings

[mephistophelean]

I accept that parents of murdered children have a right to hate, but they do not have a right to poison society with their hate as this effects us all! It has serious repercussions during criminal trials and this leads to miscarriages of justice. The hate and venom that spreads can have a desensitization effect on all of us which can also lead who more violent acts which are later claimed to have been done in society's name! Because of this hate campaign, Venables or Thompson may one day be brutally murdered, and this will impact on all of us, simply because we stood back and allowed evil thoughts to spread and it will also destroy other families. That being the families of the man who is sentenced to life imprisonment for the murder. This will be the legacy of Mrs Fergus's and the media's campaign of hatred! The killer, in his mind, and in the minds of other haters, will be a hero and gain his fifteen minutes of fame! But hatred begets evil! Where do we as a society say ENOUGH! To follow and support this hate campaign shows the true mentality of the people who back it. Fact is fact: Venables and Thompson have been dealt with our legal system...It’s time to think before we follow the Medias examples of justice! After all its in their interest to keep this anger going.