[MERGED] Madeleine McCann

[bringerofnoise]

Sorry to post again so quick but
"Kate said they blamed themselves for the disappearance in the early stages."

Well that is true IF they had eaten at home that night none of this would have happened?

[SMHarman]

Originally Posted by bringerofnoise

Sorry to post again so quick but
"Kate said they blamed themselves for the disappearance in the early stages."

Well that is true IF they had eaten at home that night none of this would have happened?

You have a great example of group behaviour here though, all the parents in the group are doing it (don't know the ages of their children) so it becomes an acceptable behaviour.
They could well be not the only group of parents there doing this.
I imagine there are many parents who holiday there and in other similar resorts around the world thinking 'there for the grace of god go I'

[foreverwar]

Originally Posted by peanutkp

Foreverwar, I don't have the answers, I don't have everything presented in front of me, laid out in a such a way that the answers flow so easy to me, sorry about that.

I don't like your tone that mostly all you do is argue the case rather than adding your own thoughts. To me that's very easy to do. Is it points that you are trying to score from certain people?

No one here is saying that the parents are to blame for the disappearance of the girl (yet, maybe, or never), but there are people are saying they do have something to answer to/for.

If people can say the parents ARE innocent, then as equal as that they can be guilty (as of this moment in time). To say one way or the other and say that is 'FACT', now that is opinionated, prejudice and pointless and not worth the paper it's printed on.

I have tried to present a balanced case based on facts, not emotions or tabloid reporting, so I am sorry you don't like my tone - if you had read my posts, you would have seen that I was defending the principle of "presumed innocent until proven guilty", whilst also stating that I believed they were negligent in leaving the children alone.

I am not trying to score points, just pointing out discrepancies in people's positions.

Originally Posted by slug

Well said. Some people just cant except that other people might not agree with their opinion. It must make their lives very difficult.

Not in the least - I just try and base my reasoning and beliefs on reported facts from official sources, not reported innuendo and latest breaking news/leaks which are contradicted hours/a day later.

I believe everyone is entitled to their opinion - it's just a shame when posters descend to guarded insults when they are disagreed with.

[XFS03]

Kate & Gerry McCann are claiming that the DNA found in the hire car, could have come from soiled nappies used by the twins, Sean & Amelie.

Surely they would have been put in nappy sacks first though? Would they have put soiled nappies in the boot of the car without wrapping them up in a plastic bag first?

http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2...430482,00.html

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[RizzyKing]

I am getting sick and tired of leaks from both sides. All it is doing is muddying the waters beause this latest thing comes from friends of the mc'canns as so much seems to. I will wait for further FACTS to emerge before commenting here again all this "that friend said this and that friend said that" is something i can't be doing with if the mc'canns have something to say damn well come out and say it yourself stop letting it drip feed out via your friends and family.

[Chris]

Originally Posted by XFS03

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Surely they would have been put in nappy sacks first though? Would they have put soiled nappies in the boot of the car without wrapping them up in a plastic bag first?

... which just goes to show how little you understand about how messy the business of changing a nappy can be.

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Originally Posted by RizzyKing

I am getting sick and tired of leaks from both sides. All it is doing is muddying the waters beause this latest thing comes from friends of the mc'canns as so much seems to. I will wait for further FACTS to emerge before commenting here again all this "that friend said this and that friend said that" is something i can't be doing with if the mc'canns have something to say damn well come out and say it yourself stop letting it drip feed out via your friends and family.

I agree, although I wish it was as simple as that. The media, and forums like this, have the family (and their friends as well, now, it seems) on trial. You can't blame the family for trying to defend themselves and to exercise their right to reply.

If the rumour and allegation was not getting printed, I suspect the family would be happier for everything to quieten down. It'll be a long, cold day in hell before that happens though.

Incidentally, it's McCann, not mc'cann, their name is rendered in English, not Klingon.

[XFS03]

Originally Posted by Chris T

... which just goes to show how little you understand about how messy the business of changing a nappy can be. ...

Oi! I've changed a fair few nappies over the years...unfortunately. .


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[handyman]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

Out of interest can you tell me what profiling is and also how it works and perhaps more importantly how it used by the Police ?

I can

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Offender_profiling

Post-offense behavior: Is the murderer trying to inject himself into the investigation by reacting to media reports or contacting investigators?

[Chris]

Originally Posted by XFS03

Oi! I've changed a fair few nappies over the years...unfortunately. .


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Shurley you can't have forgotten how easy it is to get turd all over your fingers!

Doubtless full of dna that could be smeared all over the outside of a nappy sack, even if the turd fingerprints are invisible to the naked eye. Plus there's the fact that nappy sacks can get quite static-charged and could easily pick up and carry hairs.

Anyway, nuff said about nappies, the better.

[Mr_love_monkey]

Originally Posted by Chris T

Shurley you can't have forgotten how easy it is to get turd all over your fingers!

Doubtless full of dna that could be smeared all over the outside of a nappy sack, even if the turd fingerprints are invisible to the naked eye. Plus there's the fact that nappy sacks can get quite static-charged and could easily pick up and carry hairs.

not forgetting when they've done a massive runnyish one, which squirts out the top at the back of the nappy when they lie down on the changing mat - as happened to me just this Sunday.
I said something along the lines of 'Oh Bother'.

..and before anyone (yes, I'm looking at you foreverwar & mrmistoffelees ) comes in and makes some comment about me wearing nappies, it wasn't me, it was my son.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by handyman

I can

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Offender_profiling

Technically thats not you telling me though is it ?

Originally Posted by Wikepedia Source (Controversies paragraph)

Investigators may find an early suspect who appears to fit the profile, and ignore or foreclose investigating other leads.

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Originally Posted by Mr_love_monkey

not forgetting when they've done a massive runnyish one, which squirts out the top at the back of the nappy when they lie down on the changing mat - as happened to me just this Sunday.
I said something along the lines of 'Oh Bother'.

..and before anyone (yes, I'm looking at you foreverwar & mrmistoffelees ) comes in and makes some comment about me wearing nappies, it wasn't me, it was my son.

I find it harsh that you should think that I would put a slur(ry) against your good (well, mediocre, erm, poor ? erm, erm) name

[foreverwar]

Originally Posted by Mr_love_monkey

not forgetting when they've done a massive runnyish one, which squirts out the top at the back of the nappy when they lie down on the changing mat - as happened to me just this Sunday.
I said something along the lines of 'Oh Bother'.

..and before anyone (yes, I'm looking at you foreverwar & mrmistoffelees ) comes in and makes some comment about me wearing nappies, it wasn't me, it was my son.

You know what they say - like father, like son...........

Do you, sorry, he, wear these?

[SMHarman]

Originally Posted by XFS03

Oi! I've changed a fair few nappies over the years...unfortunately. .

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And every time you have had a nappy sac on hand. Congratulations.

[Pia]

They wouldn't necessarily put it in a nappy bag if it was just wet and not soiled

Not that this adds much, just thought i'd point it out

[Chris]

Originally Posted by Pia

They wouldn't necessarily put it in a nappy bag if it was just wet and not soiled

Not that this adds much, just thought i'd point it out

Depends whether it's a real nappy or a disposable, really...