Immigration and Crime

BBKing · 31-01-2007, 13:45

Daily Mail headline and story:

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Migrant surge 'led to disorder and crime'

Massive levels of migration from Eastern Europe have brought social disorder and crime, an official report has stated.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...n_page_id=1770

The Audit Commission report actually says:

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There is little evidence that the increased numbers of migrant workers have caused significant or systematic problems in respect of community safety or cohesion.

Despite this, community perceptions about migrant workers can be inappropriately negative. They are often confused with asylum seekers and refugees, and the tone of some national and local papers can encourage hostility. While British papers worry about the number of people coming to Britain, Polish papers blame their government for allowing so many skilled youngsters to leave.

http://www.audit-commission.gov.uk/r...hplink#2006ass

I wonder which large-circulation tabloid might just be telling porkies that lead to 'inappropriately negative' perceptions? I also wonder if they read the bit about the tone of national and local papers?

via
http://5cc.blogspot.com/2007/01/does...t-reports.html

**Stuart C** · 31-01-2007, 14:28

The Mail? Making things up? Shock! Horror!

You'll be saying they publish a lot about house prices next..

sherer · 31-01-2007, 14:30

the problem with this is that they never do an article about immigrants contributing to society and working hard

it's just a cheap storyline to sell papers that never tells both sides of the arguement

Delta Whiskey · 31-01-2007, 14:55

The Daily Mail = White, Middle Class. No Blacks or other foreigners need apply.

DW

foreverwar · 31-01-2007, 15:27

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Originally Posted by Delta Whiskey

The Daily Mail = White, Middle Class. No Blacks or other foreigners need apply.

DW

Unfair - I think they quite liked Imran Khan.

me283 · 31-01-2007, 18:17

Maybe if our government took a harder line, there would be no story to report? For example, if any immigrants convicted of a crime were deported, we might actually see a decrease in crime generally... or a reduction in immigration... who knows?

For the record, before I am lambasted, I am very much in favour of controlled immigration. I also have good reason to be in favour of immigrants from Eastern Europe. So please, try to refrain from the usual attacks.

foreverwar · 31-01-2007, 19:40

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Originally Posted by me283

Maybe if our government took a harder line, there would be no story to report? For example, if any immigrants convicted of a crime were deported, we might actually see a decrease in crime generally... or a reduction in immigration... who knows?

For the record, before I am lambasted, I am very much in favour of controlled immigration. I also have good reason to be in favour of immigrants from Eastern Europe. So please, try to refrain from the usual attacks.

me283, no lambasting - just interested in any figures you could quote that would back up your proposal; how many immigrants were found guilty of crimes in the last nn years.

Not a leading question - I just don't know; and rather than the government making policy on the hoof (I know - what would be the change), wouldn't it be useful to show that deportation would make a difference to the crime figures?

TheNorm · 31-01-2007, 20:50

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Originally Posted by me283

... if any immigrants convicted of a crime were deported....

I can never get to grips with that line of thought. If someone commits a crime, they should be punished (after due process etc.). If they are deported, what control do we have over the punishment?

For example, suppose one of Osama's henchmen came to visit London on holiday, and tried to blow himself up in Piccadilly Circus, but failed and was captured. Deportation might mean sending him to a heroes welcome!

me283 · 31-01-2007, 20:55

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Originally Posted by TheNorm

I can never get to grips with that line of thought. If someone commits a crime, they should be punished (after due process etc.). If they are deported, what control do we have over the punishment?

For example, suppose one of Osama's henchmen came to visit London on holiday, and tried to blow himself up in Piccadilly Circus, but failed and was captured. Deportation might mean sending him to a heroes welcome!

Ideally we would have stronger border controls in the first place. Also, maybe we should look at harsher punishment in the first place? That way, there may be some deterrent. Who would want to be a hero, having spent 25 years in an Alcatraz style nick? Or maybe such crimes should attract capital punishment... but that's a subject for a different thread

TheNorm · 31-01-2007, 21:00

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Originally Posted by me283

...Who would want to be a hero, having spent 25 years in an Alcatraz style nick? ...

Oh! Are you saying they should "do their time", then be deported? That makes more sense.

Mind you, the world will probably be a different place 25 years hence. There might not be anywhere for him to be deported to...

TheDaddy · 31-01-2007, 21:47

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Originally Posted by me283

Ideally we would have stronger border controls in the first place. Also, maybe we should look at harsher punishment in the first place?

Couldn't agree more, tougher sentences for suicide bombers are needed

homealone · 31-01-2007, 22:28

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Originally Posted by TheNorm

Oh! Are you saying they should "do their time", then be deported? That makes more sense.

Mind you, the world will probably be a different place 25 years hence. There might not be anywhere for him to be deported to...

Sorry, TheNorm, I don't see any sense in us paying to put someone through 'time', then deporting them, just deport them, in my opinion? - reducing crime isn't always about punishment? - my thinking is that removing criminals reduces crime

danielf · 31-01-2007, 22:33

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Originally Posted by homealone

Sorry, TheNorm, I don't see any sense in us paying to put someone through 'time', then deporting them, just deport them, in my opinion? - reducing crime isn't always about punishment? - my thinking is that removing criminals reduces crime

Hm, my thinking is that this would attract rather than deter criminals. 'Come to Britain, steal as much as you can until you get caught. Once caught, you'll be put on a plane home, and you're a free man'. Where's the deterrent in that?

me283 · 31-01-2007, 22:43

It is a bit of a quandary. How about they serve their sentence, and are then deported, having been relieved of any assets they may have accrued - harsh, but probably effective.

danielf · 31-01-2007, 22:47

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Originally Posted by me283

It is a bit of a quandary. How about they serve their sentence, and are then deported, having been relieved of any assets they may have accrued - harsh, but probably effective.

I presume that is pretty much what happens (or is supposed to happen), though I expect deportation is only possible for more severe crimes.