Judge in common sense shock

[me283]

Originally Posted by Incognitas

The one that people constantly complain to all and sundry about the behaviour of kids,vandals etc in their area but they never tell the police because they erroneously assume that the media get it right every time and that the police won't respond.

That is also a big misconception though. Many people (myself included) will give examples of trying get the police to act, only to be told they're too busy, or there's nothing they can do.

Maybe it's down to the area you live in, I have no idea. And don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it's all the fault of the police - I know a few, and they are as exasperated as anyone. Their hands are tied, and they are extremely overworked, but of course these are the guys "at the coalface", not the people who make decisions.

If social problems could be sorted by simply speaking to errant youths, it would be a wonderful thing. Sadly, that's not real life, not in good old England these days

[foreverwar]

Originally Posted by Incognitas

Actually I think hatedbythemail had one very good point to make that EVERYONE else has just ignored.

The one that people constantly complain to all and sundry about the behaviour of kids,vandals etc in their area but they never tell the police because they erroneously assume that the media get it right every time and that the police won't respond.Well they do round here........ snip......

If you want nuisances to stop you have to act.Act in conjunction with those neighbours who will want to help but you can do it..If you don't tell anyone in authority they can't do anything to help.If you tell them and they do nothing THEN you should complain loud and clear to the media about ineffectual local government and you vote for someone different next time.

Originally Posted by Incognitas

Actually I think hatedbythemail had one very good point to make that EVERYONE else has just ignored.

The one that people constantly complain to all and sundry about the behaviour of kids,vandals etc in their area but they never tell the police because they erroneously assume that the media get it right every time and that the police won't respond.Well they do round here.If I ring them they come like the time there was a big fight between drunken teens gangs down the street.They were in time to deal with the stabbing by the way.They also come if I make complaints about kids in the local junior and infants after school hours.
I do not incidentally, live in the hight street I just live on the nearest,quickest way for all the local drinking establishment's customers to filter into the back streets of the town.

In fact the local council have a new scheme in which you can phone a number about vandals,graffitti,dog mess,wandering dogs etc and they will send out a special 'squad' to deal with the issue.Not had to use it yet though luckily.

I think what HBTM is trying to say that we need to take our communities back from the nuisances.Only we can(with the help of the police and local councils)do this.Some of us here already refuse to back down(though I think I personally will be leaving the cricket bat at home) and let them get away with things.

Indeed my new neighbours are getting it in the neck for A)leaving their bins on the pavement al the time,B) not sorting out their stupid house alarm which rings for ages.I'm not reporting them thus far but I shall be having my limits pretty soon..

At least they aren't like the ****s who two years ago were playing reggae at full volume in their garden for 72 hours at a time.The locals sorted them out too by going to the council after I had scanned the letter that my neighbour had recieved from the noise abatement dept and we posted a copy through every door in the street as to what to do about the problem.

If you want nuisances to stop you have to act.Act in conjunction with those neighbours who will want to help but you can do it..If you don't tell anyone in authority they can't do anything to help.If you tell them and they do nothing THEN you should complain loud and clear to the media about ineffectual local government and you vote for someone different next time.

called the police at 01.20 in the morning about youths in my garden. I had already told them to leave but was told to F*** off. I then phoned the police phone number for Chester police who are the police who respond to my area at night, Chester is 45 miles away. They finally sent a bobby at 05.45 to my house . By this time my self and my sons with help from my neighbors had sorted it . The bobby then said they were not going to come at first as this is a civil matter not a criminal, This had something to do with trespass not being a criminal law but a civil law. . What cracks me up is that they had decided this without telling me and working it out from the phone call i had initially made to them.

What a load of crap when even the police will not come to your aid.

So excuse me but i do and have phoned the police, I just don't have any faith that they can do anything these days due to their hands being tied by wishy washy laws that are not there to protect the victims. And i certainly did not vote for this Government or the loony lib Dem's in charge of my town

[Maggy J]

Originally Posted by Bill C

I called the police at 01.20 in the morning about youths in my garden. I had already told them to leave but was told to F*** off. I then phoned the police phone number for Chester police who are the police who respond to my area at night, Chester is 45 miles away. They finally sent a bobby at 05.45 to my house . By this time my self and my sons with help from my neighbors had sorted it . The bobby then said they were not going to come at first as this is a civil matter not a criminal, This had something to do with trespass not being a criminal law but a civil law. . What cracks me up is that they had decided this without telling me and working it out from the phone call i had initially made to them.

What a load of crap when even the police will not come to your aid.

Then you keep hassling the police every time someone tresspasses.They will soon start to listen but don't accept what they have told you...They should STILL respond if you think you are in danger.Don't be fobbed off by bad or lazy policing.Keep at them EVERY time it happens.Next time get ALL your neighbours to phone the police at once.They can't ignore a whole street of complaints.We have to be pushy in life and the police are no different from any other organisation,they will get busy if you take your complaint high enough.IN your situation I'd write to my local councilor and to the Police complaints and anyone else I could think of if I got that sort of fob off.

It's just like complaining to NTL, you have to be determined if you want something doing. You either accept the first answer or you start looking for someone further up the food chain to complain to.

[AntiSilence]

And now they want to give on the spot fines for crimes like assault?!?! That's just crazy.

[me283]

On the subject of standing up against the scum who make people's lives hell, those on here who think you should just stand up to them might be interested in a couple of examples that I can quote from experience.

Near to where I live there are a few small stretches of road which are one way only. They are less than 100m long, but some people, usually very young and in horrible little excuses for cars laden down with spoilers and exhausts that sound like a f*rt in a bean can, will just nip down these roads the wrong way. It's a very quiet area, and there's not a great deal of traffic, but it can sometimes cause a sounding of the horn.

Anyway, this happened one day when my mother was driving the correct way but had to stopp suddenly whilst one such scrote squeezed his heap past her. She wound down her window and said he was going the wrong way, to be met with a torrent of abuse and some aggressive behaviour. My mum is in her 70s, and is a small lady. I wois I'd been there.

Contrast that with my own experience when an almost identical incident happened to me a few weeks later. I sounded the car's horn, and the little sh*t leaned out of his window, waved his fist, and swore a lot at me. So, I opened the car door and began to get out - however I'm not like my mother, as I am over 6 feet tall, play a lot of rugby, so I have a large build, and I can act fairly aggressively when the need arises. At the same time I said something like "...and what the f*** do you think you're doing?" At which point the idiot began apologising and hurriedly reversed himself back down the road!

Now, it's all very well confronting these little ar*eholes if a) you're not afraid of being hit, b) you're in the right and c) they don't know where you live. However, most people don't fall into all of these three categories, and consequently have something to be concerned about. Add to that the fact that, as the above example shows, there is selective respect from this type of person.

So, put them straight by talking to them? It sounds lovely and easy, but in the real world you might as well beat them with a feather duster.

OK, rant over. Back to work now.