Brink of a nuclear detonation?

[AndrewJ]

This is worring major to me, I have been reading into these articles and curious what you all think about this.

I think things are getting slowly out of hand.

TEHRAN, Iran (CNN) -- Iran on Saturday said it would reject a package of proposals from European negotiators which offered long-term support for Iran's civil nuclear program as long as the country does not develop nuclear weapons.

© 2005 WorldNetDaily.com


WASHINGTON – As London recovers from the latest deadly al-Qaida attack that killed at least 50, top U.S. government officials are contemplating what they consider to be an inevitable and much bigger assault on America – one likely to kill millions, destroy the economy and fundamentally alter the course of history, reports Joseph Farah's G2 Bulletin.

source: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=45203

and

source: http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/...ear/index.html

Worrying reading.

[marky]

I dont know how old you are but i have grown up with this crap

cold war and that
protect & survive films, but it all seems to pass with time
live for now and enjoy yourself buddy
it just aint worth it

[AndrewJ]

While I see your point there I would prefer to not ignore it and think if it happens it happens, I would like to do something about it so I can at least live out my years normally.

[Chrysalis]

there are always countries who will try to get nuclear weapons, it puts them on a more equal term with the united states, obviously I dont want a rogue leader to have the ability to use such a thing but its kind of controversial to expect noone else to have the weaponry when the usa has such a large stockpile.

[nibbles]

bottom line is that if iran did get nukes the worst it could do is bomb 1 or 2 cities it would take a very short time before iran was a smoking cinder, besides iran doesn't have the delivery system to nuke the west, i doubt that many people want to meet allah that much being said religious zealotry and the present political instability in iran is defiantly of some concern but i think before anything had the chance to happen we'd probably have bombed the crap out of them, i am sure that the UN will protect us though right

[AndrewJ]

If you mean the US bombing all the friendly troops, and computers crashin and all our technology failing us when they are using old simple ak47's and old simple stuff.

[Nidge]

To many dangerous countries are getting their hands on nuclear power for my liking the liks of North Korea, Iran and so on. These countries will not think twice of pressing the button if thay are pushed into doing so.

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by nibbles

bottom line is that if iran did get nukes the worst it could do is bomb 1 or 2 cities it would take a very short time before iran was a smoking cinder, besides iran doesn't have the delivery system to nuke the west, i doubt that many people want to meet allah that much being said religious zealotry and the present political instability in iran is defiantly of some concern but i think before anything had the chance to happen we'd probably have bombed the crap out of them, i am sure that the UN will protect us though right

Iran nuke's israel, israel retaliates and nuke's iran.
This draws in the surrounding nations and America/Britain
Iran, having nuked the American Embassy in Israel becomes a target for America's nukes (or maybe Dubya just pushed the wrong button)
China comes to the defence of Iran, and nuke's America.
A nuke falls short and lands on the oil fields of Saudi Arabia.
On the plus side, those who are left don't need the light on at night to read by, they're glowing enough.

Originally Posted by Saxodriver

While I see your point there I would prefer to not ignore it and think if it happens it happens, I would like to do something about it so I can at least live out my years normally.

Theres little you can do.

In the early 80's it was the same, CND were campaigning to get US missiles out of britain. We knew that two well placed nukes would obliterate the UK.
Iran will not listen to anyone, the only way it will be stopped is by the same old mutually assured destruction. No leader no matter how desperate they are will risk nuking another country because theirs will be flatter than holland within minutes of their own launch.
The thing about a nuclear war is that no one will survive. Yes they might survive the initial attack but they cannot go outside for years.

The small comfort is that if your close enough you will be incinerated in a millionth of a second.
There were more dangerous times in the 60's, 70's and 80's and its much more likely that a biolagical or chemical war will occure rather then a nuclear one.

[Damien]

Originally Posted by Chrysalis

there are always countries who will try to get nuclear weapons, it puts them on a more equal term with the united states, obviously I dont want a rogue leader to have the ability to use such a thing but its kind of controversial to expect noone else to have the weaponry when the usa has such a large stockpile.

Difference is that I trust the USA with the weapons, not Iran.

[punky]

You mean you to say... That the typical weak European diplomacy and pandering, without the threat of any punishment/force what so ever (it is what Europe does best after all), has achieved nothing? Wow, I am shocked, I tell you, shocked!

I like this bit:

Two years of hard bargaining between the EU and Iran over its nuclear program looked close to breaking point, with the EU coming round to the U.S. view that Tehran should be referred to the
United Nations for possible sanctions

( http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050802/...K2i81eg0eVhSw6 )

Let the "I told you sos commence". People, or countries, especially like Iran will never respond without a direct threat. The best non-threatening action you could take is to bribe them, and i'll be damned if I will be happy to see that happen.

[andygrif]

Originally Posted by markymoan

I dont know how old you are but i have grown up with this crap

cold war and that
protect & survive films, but it all seems to pass with time
live for now and enjoy yourself buddy
it just aint worth it

Same with me...in fact I vividly remember as a kid in about 1980, I think my mum was listening to Any Questions or something similar on Radio Four, and some "expert" said that it was almost definite that there would be a nuclear war in the "next ten years".

At that age I was old enough to understand what nuclear bombs were, but not old enough to ask lots of questions - so this "expert" haunted me (a bit) for the rest of my childhood.

Of course, it didn't happen - but that's not to say it won't...but there's little I can do about it apart from try to elect people who won't exascerbate global problems like the government we have now.

Originally Posted by punky

Let the "I told you sos commence". People, or countries, especially like Iran will never respond without a direct threat. The best non-threatening action you could take is to bribe them, and i'll be damned if I will be happy to see that happen.

I'm not entirely sure what Iran are supposed to be doing wrong. Apart from the latest US intel (contradiction in terms?) they suggest Iran may well be a good ten years from completing a nuclear bomb construction, I am not sure I would be doing anything differently if I were in their shoes, and that goes for N Korea too....

If a combined superpower such as the USA & UK was making noises about invading my country (on the basis of a war on terror, such as the ridiculous statements used to gain support for invading Iraq) I would want to protect myself. North Korea has an army made up of every man and boy, so possibly better protected than Iran, but I would want to deter the uber-power from invading me. For decades nuclear weapons have been used as a "deterrent" so why is it OK for some countries (UK, US, India, Isreal, etc) to have such a "deterrent", especially when all of those have been involved in agressive conflict in the last few years?

If someone could explain why a country such as North Korea or Iran (who have not invaded any other country lately) should not have a deterrent, then I might change my mind.

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by timewarrior2001

Iran will not listen to anyone, the only way it will be stopped is by the same old mutually assured destruction. No leader no matter how desperate they are will risk nuking another country because theirs will be flatter than holland within minutes of their own launch.
The thing about a nuclear war is that no one will survive. Yes they might survive the initial attack but they cannot go outside for years.

Ok, now say that again, but factor in religious zealism which makes you believe that if you die in the name of your religion you are guarenteed to go to paradise.
Now tell me they won't do it because they're worried they'll die too.

I'm gonna be renting out "When the wind blows" so maybe I can learn a thing or two about what to do, anyone got a protractor?

[AndrewJ]

The only plus factor of a nuclear war, would be that I could finally see the DFS sale end.

[Rob M]