G8 protestors!

[punky]

Originally Posted by Graham

I'm not quite sure what that has to do with the subject of this thread.

It was but one example from many to prove that I am against protests that make people's lives a misery, even if it something I agree with ideologically. I.e to prove I am not the hypocrite you was calling me.

The question, though is, do we say "stop them protesting when it inconveniences *me*"??

You would think they would decent enough to have consideration for someone else. They may think they are the most important thing on this earth, and the cause they are fighting for is the most righteous, but they are not the only people on the planet.

Well it did rather sound like you were proposing a "rule for all", but now you're stating a hypothetical and building an argument around it with no evidence that I have seen.

Now you are getting twisted up in your silly logic. I said that it isn't protests, or protesters that annoy me, it is inconsiderate protesters that inconvience people whilst they are whinging about whatever they are whinging about. That is what I clearly stated back in my first post. My position has not changed, my points have not changed. Your squirming is evidence of that.

Remember back in my first post, I said that there are legitmate reasons to protest? If I had to protest something, i'd make absolutely sure I didn't make inconvience some poor guy with my beliefs or opinions. I'd feel terrible if if I did. I even gave you an example of what a perfect protest was. If someone has to protest, they should have consideration for other innocent people. End of.

[Chris]

Originally Posted by charley

At no point did I resort to personal attacks, and I'm not going to now. I am not stupid, i stood up for something I believed in. You child is going to grow up in a world where the decmocratic process is detirmined by a few people for their own ends. I noticed the lovely view you have on your drive home, many people are not that lucky. When they propose to build a wind farm on it, you will sit back and let that happen??

Bush and Blair and all the other leaders did take some notice of the protesters and that much is clear and by protest I also mean the 'make poverty history' rally on the Saturday.
I have stated repeatedly, I do not speak for all protesters nor do I speak for all protests. Others have answered your points. I didn't come here to be personally attacked, I have tried to explain my actions without attacking anyone and until that post the discussion was civil. I was willing to learn from someone elses point of view as long as mine was listerned to as well. As with most things because you attacked others jumped on the bandwagon.

I have tried to give you something to think about, but you would prefer to attack me because I don't fit in with your way of life You would obviously perfer people to join here who agree with you, I don't. If any travellers come this way, I'm sure you'd attack them too. Ignorance breeds Intolerance. Well done!

Charley, you might have chosen to take my post personally but at least I made what I believed to be some serious points about the nature of democracy and protest - points which you have chosen entirely to ignore, I note. In fact the only person who has had a go at answering me point by point is Graham, who, so far as I know, wasn't even in Scotland this week, let alone frolicking on the bridge dressed as a clown.

And let's face it, I don't have a monopoly on personalising the issue or making crass generalisations, do I? What on earth have wind farms got to do with anything? Seeing as we're on the subject, I think wind energy is a great idea and if I didn't live on a wooded hillside I would have incorporated one into the plans I have for running my own home on green principles. As it is I am installing a heat pump this year (so as not to be burning gas or oil) and will be installing photovoltaic cells just as soon as I can afford it. I run a company car that is deliberately down the scale from my entitlement, in order to reduce my CO2 emissions. I have been lobbying our fleet manager to get some LPG vehicles on the approved list. We use cotton nappies on our children in order to reduce landfill. We have been sorting, recycling and composting for years - certainly well before the council started requiring it. Every light bulb in my house is low-energy. Am I still conforming to your very obviously pre-conceived ideas of the kind of person who decries your antics as pointless and quite silly?

(By the way, back on wind farms, I am old enough to remember when the Green lobby thought they were the best thing since sliced bread. Hardly surprising that I tend to have a slightly cynical view of your movement, now the turbines are suddenly the devil incarnate, eh? Some people simply thrive on being anti-everything that is popular - could be why you have a chip on your shoulder about Live 8, seeing as people took more notice of that than they did of you?).

On the issue of your forward planning - what Press reports we saw only appeared on the day of your protest, and then as a rumour that you planned to block the Kingston bridge. The Boys in Blue took that seriously enough to close off your access to it, and then you turned up on George V Bridge instead. At what point did you change your plans? Who did you tell about Kingston Bridge, and when? Was there ever a time when you belived you would be allowed to block the M8? You see, I have a problem with your continual drawing of parallels between the Make Poverty History march in Edinburgh (275,000 people, including several of my friends, planned and co-ordinated and advertised months in advance with the Police and the City Council) and your jamboree in Glasgow (rather fewer people, what you might call the hard core - or lunatic fringe, clearly without any co-ordination or willing co-operation with the public authorities and known to the public on the day itself after rumours in the Press). I don't see anything to compare between the two events, except that you and your friends apparently attended both.

[Graham]

Originally Posted by punky

You would think they would decent enough to have consideration for someone else. They may think they are the most important thing on this earth, and the cause they are fighting for is the most righteous, but they are not the only people on the planet.

What actual evidence do you have for these claims?

You claim "lack of consideration". You claim "they think they are the most important thing on this earth" and their cause is the "most righteous", but these simply look like sweeping generalisations to me.

As to the rest of your post, again, you make claims without evidence or even justification and I'm not going to bother wasting time on them.